Guerra Mercedes Bmw

[daimlerchrysler]

Sull' ultimo numero di ams c' è un lungo articolo sulla sfida tra Stoccarda e Monaco. Entrambe le case vogliono raggiungere una produzione annuale di 1,5 milioni di auto entro il 2008. Nel 1995 Mercedes produsse 596.000 auto la Bmw (senza la Rover) poco più di 600.000. Sarebbe utile confrontare queste performance con quei costruttori che in 10 anni sono crollati. Qui c' è un elenco delle novità.

Kleinwagen:
Mercedes= Smart+Smart forfour+Smart formore=250.000
Bmw=Mini+Mini cabrio+Mini club(2008)= 230.000

Kompaktwagen
Mercedes: Klass A, Klass B=240.000
Bmw: Einser, 125, coupè, sw, 4 turen= 155.000

Mittelklasse
Mercedes: Klass C, C trasporter, C coupè, C cabrio, Klass C suv,
Clk, Slk=420.000
Bmw: Dreier, 3er coupè, cabriolet, touring,X3, M3, Z4=620.000

Obere mittelklasse
Mercedes: Klass E, Klass R kurz, Klass M, Klass G, Cls=480.000
Bmw: 5er,X5, Raumkonzept(crossover), 6er=380.000

Luxusklasse
Mercedes: Klass S, Klass R lang, Cl=110.000
Bmw: 7er=55.0000

Sempre più agguerriti. Chissà cosa farà Audi per rispondere a quest' offensiva

[Velox]

Secondo me Bmw ha più chance. L'Audi rimarrà sempre il terzo incomodo

[daimlerchrysler]

A proposito di Audi c' è un articolo interessante su autobild.de
Riporto la traduzione in inglese (fatta da google)
Boss Martin winter grain has ambitious plans: brisk high positioning; Premiumanspruch with the Design, with quality and achievement; stresses sporty adjustment of the mark; All-wheel drive in all classes for more security and better driving dynamics. The strategic goal of the master of the rings is called qualitative growth. After approximately 700,000 units in the year 2003 is to rise the paragraph to at the end of of 2008 to 935.000 vehicles? a plus of over 33 per cent. There it is not enough to replace existing models by similar concepts. Beyond that AUDI must expand, open new segments and remove the pallet briskly. This conquest tactics is based on four hitting a corner columns: Q4, small SUV/Crossover, marketing approximately 65,000 piece/years? Q7, large SUV/Crossover, marketing approximately 60,000 piece/years? A5 as Coupé and Cabriolet of the upper middle class, marketing for both variants approximately 50,000 piece/years? A9-Supersportwagen as Coupé and Targa, marketing for both variants approximately 5000 piece/years. Further important growth carriers are the A3 sport-bake with 140.000 units (larva in Ingolstadt and starting from 2006 also in China), the A4-Nachfolger with estimated 260,000 pieces (likewise inclusive China) and the current A6, which are to come with two karosserievarianten and two production locations on the average on 190.000 vehicles per year. In order to keep low the costs, with high pressure for as rapidly as possible convertible synergies one searches internally and externally. The A3 and the TT divide the gulf platform, the successors of A4 and A6 move more closely together, the Q7 dock to the Touareg on, that under Audianern than SSW (supersports car), Le Mans as well as RSR well-known A9 divide the hereditary factors with the Lamborghini Gallardo. And the small Crossover with the development contraction AU416? That should be originally clamped with the VOLKSWAGEN A-suv, recently however from the crosswise to the longitudinal engine was redesigned. We asked the company head Dr. Bernd Pischetsrieder for the reasons: "the VOLKSWAGEN is easier and more compact, because it must begin against competitors like the RAV4. The AUDI has against it among other things the BMW X3 in the visor. In this segment six cylinder engines dominate, because of the pedestrian protection intensified soon particularly as Diesels not meaningfully crosswise to insert leave themselves." The Showcars of the past years partially already anticipated the expansion program, with which AUDI wants to score in the future. The large SUV changed opposite the Pikes peak only in the detail, the small SUV translates the same stylistic idiom into the compact format, the courageous central engine car is an evolution of the Le Mans quattro, and with the A5 Coupé stood completely obviously the Nuvolari godfather. Chief designer walter de Silva gives himself self-confidently: "decorative or ornamentale style elements are not the center of attention with AUDI, but the architecture of the automobile and its proportions original wanted to change the Ingolstaedter over the entire product offer from the a2 to the A8 to extreme lightweight construction by aluminum space Frame body (ASF). In the meantime one sees the things somewhat more differentiated: The a2 is adjusted, the next TT changes from steel to ASF, the Le Mans takes over that ASF construction principle of the Gallardo, and also the A8 continues to look on the weight. But with the volume models A3/A4/A6 the red pencil forces to a mischbauweise with emphasis on high-strength sheet metals. A further problem field, which requires urgently a solution, concerns the rather defensive than dragging along driving dynamics. Traction is not owing to quattro topic, but in puncto handling, guidance behavior and brakes it will not be easy to reduce the distance to the avowed ore rival from Munich. There probably only a completely new starting point with engine inserted somewhat farther back, more aggressively co-ordinated all-wheel drive and more dynamic braking force on the rear axle helps. Further considerations: Place exchange between transmissions and differential, a better decoupled steering element, a tail-stressed quattro Drehmomentverteilung of 40:60 per cent and a clearly more progressive rear wheel suspension. The starting signal for this innovative component structure falls from today's view in the first quarter 2008 with the successor of the evenly only revised A4 (work code B8/AU481). With the aggregates the direkteinspritzung on broad front becomes generally accepted, whereby the stress is on more achievement and torque. Only if surface covering the appropriate fuel quality is available, one wants to drive lean and lower thus consumption. The FSI Vierzylinder is combined ever more frequently with the turbo. The spectrum reaches here of 150 HP strong 1,8-Liter up to the 2,0-Liter with 280 HP in the S3. The VR6 covers as 3,2 and 3,6-Liter one HP span from 250 to 350 HP. If wolf castle should decide to it, this engine to Diesels, also AUDI will profit from it. The alternatives are a new five-cylinder or an evolution 2,0 of the TDI, which is good for at least 170 HP then. The six and Achtzylinder Benziner add likewise, without in the capacity progressive rate something changes. While the W12 the A8 remains reserving, come the S8, the S6 and the Q7/Pikes peak into the benefit of a new V10-Triebwerks. The 5,2-Liter-FSI-Maschine expenditure-borrowed from the Lamborghini Gallardo brings it in the AUDI trim on 420 HP and 550 Nm. With the large Diesels the 4,0-Liter-V8 with shortly scarcely 300 HP marks the end of the flag bar. AUDI would install a 6,0-Liter-V12 as over TDI gladly, would rather see on company level one against it an uprated V10. Six courses are with the transmissions in the future obligation. The Tiptronic loses in favor of the DSG dSG-Raederwerks relatively rapidly at soil. The double clutch transmission gives it medium-term in three versions: to 250 Nm (crosswise), to 500 Nm and to 700 Nm (both lengthwise, at least one of it with seven drive positions). A4 and A6 can be ordered further with the stepless Multitronic. The again-graduated model program saves various surprises. Coupé and Cabrio on A4-Basis are called in the future A5, receive a completely independent optics and move concerning the price more closely to the A6. also the Q4 ranked than cause area-suited Crossover over the accordingly motorized A4 Avant. The Q7 is roomier, more nobly equipped and with it concomitantly more expensive than a Touareg. With the A9 those take Bavaria to late purchase to the three Le-Mans-victories. The two-seater was changed in relation to the study particularly within the range of the front car. More wheel base and bring more leg liberty to more length and more trunk. The Coupé starts in the first quarter 2007, the Targa follows only two years later. Motorizing is identical with both: 4,2-Liter-V8 FSI with 420 HP or 5,2-Liter-V10-FSI with 500 HP. Still a few words to (provisional) the model designations. AUDI, then one hears had itself protected the combinations A1q-a10q and S/RS1QS/RS10Q into and around Ingolstadt, recently? why probably...?


In sostanza: ci saranno la A5 ( contro la Clk), la Le mans su base Gallardo, la pikes peak (detta Q7), la Q4 che sarà molto diversa dalla suv vw su base golf.

[maxsona]

Qui si finirà per confrontare, Audi, BMW, Mercedes e altri, quindi il thread si farà più generalista, sposto in "mercato"...

[DESMO16]

..é da un pò di tempo che volevo aprire un topic su questa competizione..credete davvero che Mercedes rimarrà a guardare?

[Velox]

..é da un pò di tempo che volevo aprire un topic su questa competizione..credete davvero che Mercedes rimarrà a guardare?

No, non lo credo, ma a mio parere Bmw e Audi hanno un'immagine più giovane e sportiva

[daimlerchrysler]

Mercedes ha subito l' offensiva Bmw tra il 2003 e il 2004 adesso toccherà a lei attacare soprattutto nelle nuove nicchie. E' interessante che noi europei consideriamo la battaglia per i segmenti di lusso uno scontro fra tre soggetti ( Audi, Bmw, Mercedes). In America Lexus, Infiniti ed Acura stanno affilando le armi.