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Citroën DS4 2.0HDi DStyle review



Citroën DS4 2.0 HDi 160 DStyle First Drive

Test date 05 May 2011 Price as tested TBA
The DS4 is not a fine handling car by any stretch, but it is perfectly competent

What is it?

The second offering from Citroen’s premium DS sub-brand. And after the DS3, which even Citroen admits is far more popular than it anticipated, it has a hard act to follow.
The bad news is that it’s based on the overwhelmingly underwhelming C4 which itself is based on the old C4. Then again Citroen worked wonders turning the distinctly average C3 into the positively sparky DS3, so perhaps it can pull it off again.
What’s it like?

And you can’t fault the effort that’s gone into it. Not only does the DS4 share barely a body panel with the C4 (only the bonnet and front headlights are common to both), this is no nip and tuck operation. The car has been raised by 32mm and the driver’s hip point sits 15mm higher, apparently to give an SUV-like driving position. Underneath the skin the suspension has been completely retuned at both ends and the steering recalibrated too, to fit the sporting image of the DS brand.
Inside the changes are more superficial, feel applied rather than fundamental and depend very much on which of the three grades you buy and how much you’re prepared to spend on expensive extras like leather dash tops and stitched leather seats.
Three BMW developed petrol engines and two PSA diesels will be available from launch, the more powerful 2-litre version of which is in the car you see here.
Given the unprepossessing nature of the raw material, it’s surprisingly good. No, the DS4 isn’t going to send the Germans scuttling back to their drawing boards but nor is there any of the sense of depressing underachievement that pervades the C4 driving experience. The DS4 is genuinely and significantly different. In this regard at least it adds to the good work of the DS3.
Before you’re out of the car park you know good work has been done on the steering, the insipid overly light feel of the C4 has been entirely exorcised. It still feels artificial in a way we know electric systems no longer need to, but it’s no longer a bar to driving pleasure.
Bumble through town and you’ll notice next how firm the suspension feels. Although the spring rate has actually been reduced, this is more than offset by a substantial increase in roll bar diameter and much more damper control. Most of the time the ride is perfectly acceptable, but occasionally you can drop a wheel in a rut and feel a thud you just know a car with a properly independent rear end – take your pick from the Alfa Giulietta to the Mini Countryman – would have dispatched with far greater ease.
Accelerating onto the motorway you’ll find performance adequate, but the powerband of the 2-litre motor narrow even by diesel standards and not well suited to its wide-spread gear ratios. But once at a cruise the ride settles down leaving you alone with an impression of uncanny refinement. This must be one of the quietest four cylinder diesels on earth.
You expect it all to turn to mush once you reach the hills because, after all, there’s the bare bones of C4 under here. But it doesn’t. The DS4 is not a fine handling car by any stretch, but it is perfectly competent, mildly engaging and not at all annoying. None of which we’d feel tempted to say about the C4 in the same environment.
Interestingly for a car that’ll sell so much on showroom appeal, its static qualities are what lets it down. While the outside looks classy and distinct, the interior appears like a mildly warmed over C4. Moreover there’s only just enough room in the back and, amazingly, the rear side windows are fixed. If you can think of another four door, five seat car on sale that won’t let those in the back open the windows even a crack, perhaps you’d let us know.
Should I buy one?

Citroen says the DS4 comprises the style of a coupe with the practicality of a saloon and the driving position of an SUV. The unintended consequence of such a description is to suggest very strongly that the car is a jack of all trades. And it is. Unless you happen to like the way it looks or set particular store by cabin noise levels, it is a car with no world beating attributes.
But that alone should not condemn it. The art of modern motor manufacture is defined by the art of the compromise and those settled upon by Citroen in creating the DS4 are notably well judged, some might say miraculously so given its origins.
So don’t expect the DS4 to change the world or even rewrite its class rules. But if you like what you see enough to buy one, the rest of the car is more than good enough not to make you regret your decision.
Giles Newton



Citroën DS4 2.0HDi DStyle

Price: £23,000 (est); 0-62mph: 9.3sec; Top Speed: 132mph; Economy: 55.3mpg; Co2: 134g/km; Kerb weight: 1320kg; Engine layout: 4 cyls in line, 1997cc; Installation: tranverse front, front-wheel drive; Power: 161bhp at 3750rpm; Torque: 251lb ft at 2000rpm; Power to weight: 122bhp per tonne; Gearbox: 6-sp manual

fonte: www.autocar.co.uk

[MotorPassion]

Sono riusciti a combinare due cavolate: vetri fissi posteriori e nessuna bocchetta di areazione posteriore. Ok che molte altre auto della stessa categoria non hanno le bocchette dietro però nel caso della DS4 c'era un buon motivo per metterle e cioè i vetri fissi. Mi stupisco del fatto che non siano riusciti a progettare i vetri apribili anche dietro visto che la portiera è bella ampia, secondo me bastava poco senza cambiare nulla della linea della finestratura.

[1happydream]

In effetti è stato piu' volte sottolineato come "piccoli" difetti come quelli accennati possano compromettere l'appeal del pubblico (che prima di tutto valuta l'auto da ferma....).

Come nel caso della DS 3 i tecnici Citroen sono riusciti (con la DS4) nell'impresa di rendere piu' emozionante e coinvolgente un'auto la cui base (C4) era poco interessante , seppur molto confortevole.
Globalmente una vettura riuscita, ma nulla di piu': e questo , forse , non basta (vista la concorrenza agguerritissima, dalle classiche Giulietta/Golf/Focus/A3 fino a Delta/Countryman/Civic/Serie 1).
Come ho gia' accennato prima, credo che alla DS 4 manchi, piu' che la sostanza , l'immagine della MARCA....
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[1happydream]

Altra prova di CARADISIAC: si conferma l'eccellenza del connubbio guidabilita'-comfort.
Ma anche la scarsa possibilita' di personalizzazione (sia in termini estetici che di accessori x la sicurezza).
Persino i francesi trovano ASSURDA la presenza di vetri fissi posteriormente!

Essai - vidéo : Citroën DS4 : concept innovant pour succès garanti
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PS Inserisco solo il link iniziale poiche' sono 6 pagine

[1happydream]

Autoexpress , pur lodando il lavoro fatto da Citroen per dare "fun" alla DS4, fa notare come la volonta' di costruire un'auto un po' Suv, un po' Coupè, un po' berlina 5 porte....alla fine (forse) non riesca a fornire un carattere definito alla vettura...
-Una QQ /iX35/Sportage/Tiguan è decisamente piu' Suv (oltre che nell'impostazione estetica , anche nell'utilizzo)
-Una Scirocco/Megane è chiaramente piu' Coupè (non solo nella linea, ma soprattutto nell'assetto/sterzo/dinamismo/cambio)
-Una Focus/Golf è piu' berlina 5p (fuori, dentro, e nel "prezzo" !)

Citroen DS4 2.0 HDi | First Drive | Auto Express

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The second member of Citroen’s new dynasty has arrived! The high-riding DS4 is a more luxurious, grown-up model designed to build on the success of the MINI-rivalling DS3. And Auto Express has got behind the wheel for the first time.

Style is a huge part of the DS4’s appeal, and you’re instantly struck by the way it looks. In profile, it appears similar to the standard C4, but in fact it’s 60mm shorter, and 40mm taller. Up close, the curvy bodywork draws the eye, particularly at the back, and the permanent LEDs front and rear help it stand out.


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The shapely roofline and hidden rear doors are meant to give the impression of a sleek coupé. But they contrast with the increased ride height, which provides a raised, if not quite commanding, view of the road.

Citroen claims the DS4 can straddle several segments, and deliver a sporty, involving driving experience without compromising on practicality. To help it achieve this, and boost the handling, it has a number of suspension tweaks.

The overall layout remains unchanged from the C4, but the DS model features firmer springs and shock absorbers, plus stiffer anti-roll bars, as standard. The electro-hydraulic power-steering has also been given an overhaul, and the flagship diesel model we drove gets its own unique, sportier set-up. On the move,
the steering does offer better feedback through corners, but still feels over-assisted.

Under the bonnet is the familiar 2.0-litre diesel from the C4, now with an extra 10bhp, but that’s no bad thing. It has a narrow powerband, but mixes gutsy in-gear acceleration with 55.4mpg fuel economy. It’s also refined, while road noise is well suppressed, making for relaxing progress.

Despite the stiffer springs, the DS4’s set-up feels more focused on comfort than driving thrills; the ride is smooth, although standardl 19-inch wheels fitted to our car mean it occasionally bangs over bumps. The body leans into bends, though, and it lacks the precision of a dedicated coupé such as the Volkswagen Scirocco.

The interior is swathed in leather, while black headlining gives it a cocooned, luxurious feel. The door handles, side sills and centre console are all etched with DS logos, but some of the plastics lower down the dashboard aren’t of the quality you’d expect in a car costing £20,000-plus.

The DS4 is aimed at a different set of buyers to the DS3, so there’s less scope for personalisation in the cabin, although there are four different leather options for the ‘watch bracelet’-style seats. The styling also demands a number of sacrifices to practicality.
The boot offers 21 litres less luggage space than the C4’s, at 359 litres, but that's still bigger than most family hatches. Passengers in the back get a decent amount of room, too, although amazingly the aggressive C-pillar means you can’t open the rear windows to let air in.

At launch, there will be a choice of five engines, including the firm’s new 1.6-litre 110bhp e-HDi stop-start diesel. However, bosses predict this powerful oil-burner, and the 120bhp petrol model, will be the best sellers.
Rival: Alfa Romeo Giulietta
It doesn’t have a raised ride height, but Golf-sized Alfa hatch pulls off the same trick, blending coupé-like kerbside appeal and a roomy interior, for a similar price.

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Eccco le prime prove:
Citroen DS4: la nostra prova su strada

Pur non essendo una coupè viene accostata più volte alla Scirocco. “E’ sportiva, sfuggente, con i fianchi torniti ed un lunotto rastremato. Trasmette dinamismo”. Ma è anche spaziosa e versatile, adatta per ospitare quattro passeggeri ed i rispettivi bagagli. Una berlina, dunque? Però l’altezza da terra rimane elevata anche con i cerchi da 19 pollici, per via dell’assetto rialzato in stile crossover. Gli stessi uomini Citroen non sanno come definirla, perché la DS4 coniuga tre anime in percentuali identiche e sposa differenti personalità senza perdere equilibrio né oltrepassare l’eccessivo. Del resto è una DS, vettura meno “solenne” e formale rispetto alla C4 da cui trae origine. Gli stilisti hanno quindi potuto sbizzarrire la fantasia, realizzando un corpo vettura piacevole e molto ben proporzionato, con le giuste curve ed i giusti tagli, con minori slanci di audacia rispetto alla DS3.
Molto piacevole l’andamento della vetratura laterale, con il montante posteriore a clessidra (reso meno impattante dal parafango cicciotto) e la maniglia posizionata a lato del finestrino, mimetizzata rispetto alla carrozzeria . Questo elemento stilistico porta in dote un compromesso non facile da sminuire: i finestrini posteriori sono fissi, privi anche dell’apertura a compasso. Gran parte delle colpe vanno attribuite alla portiera posteriore, il cui taglio non facilità l’accesso a bordo e impedisce al vetro di scorrere. Alla luce di questa mancanza risulta piuttosto grave l’assenza di bocchette per l’areazione, che avrebbero facilitato il ricambio dell’aria. Si paga dunque lo scotto dell’impostazione da filo-coupè, che risulta meno evidente aprendo il portellone posteriore: i 370 litri del bagagliaio sono ampiamente sfruttabili vista la regolarità del vano, il cui unico limite è rappresentato dalla soglia d’accesso elevata.


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LO SPAZZIO NON MANCA. MATERIALI DA SEGMENTO SUPERIORE

I passeggeri anteriori dispongono di numerosi centimetri per le spalle ed i piedi. Più sacrificato invece lo spazio fra testa e padiglione, a causa del parabrezza in cristallo che prosegue fin sul tetto e sottrae qualche centimetro utile. Questa soluzione contribuisce ad aumentare la luminosità dell’abitacolo, ma al contempo rende più marcato l’irraggiamento solare obbligando così a “spremere” il condizionatore. Vista l’originale conformazione della portiera gli occupanti posteriori accusano qualche difficoltà nel salire a bordo, ma una volta seduti possono definirsi comodi e coccolati, per nulla infastiditi dal padiglione. Gli esemplari oggetto del test erano tutti equipaggiati con l’opzione pelle integrale, che riveste la plancia e restituisce una sensazione piacevole e appagante, da segmento superiore. La DS4 raggiunge l’eccellenza nella cura dei particolari, tutti ricercati ed esclusivi, mentre la plancia si rivela altrettanto gradevole ma ospita troppi pulsanti e bottoni.

PIU’ EQUILIBRATA LA 2.0 HDi, MENO COMUNICATIVA LA 1.6 THP

La posizione di guida è facilmente regolabile, grazie ai comandi elettrici per il sedile ed alla leva per muovere su due assi (altezza e profondità) il volante. Più complicato gestire la visibilità: sono presenti i sensori di parcheggio anteriori e posteriori, ma di tre/quarti ed al posteriore si valutano gli ingombri con estrema difficoltà. Il comando della trasmissione è posizionato alla giusta distanza e si rivela facile da manovrare anche se piuttosto spugnoso. Ottima invece la frizione, sempre morbida e precisa, mentre il pedale del freno si rivela incisivo e comunicativo. Durante la nostra prova su strada abbiamo provato le versioni top di gamma in allestimento So Chic e con motore 1.6 THP 200 CV o 2.0 HDi da 160 CV. La DS4 a benzina viene fornita di serie con i cerchi in lega da 19 pollici e pneumatici Michelin Pilotsport nella misura 225/45. Questa scelta, insieme alle specifiche tarature per assetto e freni, contribuisce a rendere la vettura fin troppo nervosa e poco intuitiva. Il volante copia le imperfezioni stradali e richiede correzioni delicate, mentre quando si affonda il piede emerge un beccheggio piuttosto marcato. Nessun appunto al motore 1.6 THP da 200 CV, sempre pastoso e regolare, che offre il meglio di se fra i 3.000 ed i 6.000 giri. La versione con motore 2.0 HDi da 160 CV è invece proposta con cerchi da 18 pollici e gomme meno performanti (Michelin Pilot Sport 3) nella misura 225/45. Così equipaggiata le vettura si dimostra più neutra e rassicurante, anche per via del maggior peso all’anteriore che rende più filtrate le reazioni ed aumenta il sottosterzo. Entrambi i quattro cilindri sono abbinati ad un cambio manuale a sei rapporti.

PREZZI E DOTAZIONI

Le due Citroen DS4 oggetto della prova sono in vendita a 28.300 euro (1.6 THP) e 28.700 euro (2.0 HDi). Il listino ha come origine i 20.100 euro della 1.6 VTi (120 CV) Chic, mentre la più economia versione a gasolio (1.6 e-HDi 110 CV Chic) parte da 22.300 euro. La dotazione di serie comprende sei airbag ESP, cerchi in lega da 18 pollici, climatizzatore automatico bi-zona, pedaliera in alluminio, cruise control, impianto audio con lettore CD ed MP3 a 6 altoparlanti, sedile del guidatore regolabile elettricamente, sedili anteriori con funzione massaggio, tergicristallo automatico, sensori di parcheggio anteriori e sistema di sorveglianza dell’angolo morto (SAM).



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[J-Gian]

Certo che i cerchioni da 18 e soprattutto 19 pollici...

[Guglielmi]

bah.. io preferisco mille volte questa ad un x1 o un q3 (tanto nessuna delle 3 mi và in fuoristrada) e per me che sono un contestatore è preferibile acquistare una bella citroen con i controcosi e non una tedesca (che pur di risparmiare qualcosina la si prende con i copricerchi )

[Touareg 2.0]

What is it?

Citroen’s second model from its DS premium brand. Following the popular and highly rated DS3 supermini, the DS4 is the new upmarket cousin of the C4 five-door hatchback, and goes on sale in the UK at the beginning of July.
Despite the fact that it shares most of its engines and underbody mechanicals with the ordinary C4, the DS4 isn’t exactly a conventional family hatch. Marketed as a non-conformist’s alternative and described by Citroen as a hybrid of saloon, coupe and compact 4x4, it’s effectively a high-riding five-door hatch with the kind of profile silhouette you’d expect from a two-door two-plus-two.
Whether it’s a revelation or just different for difference’s own sake is what we’re looking to establish here, in our first proper UK drive in a range-topping 1.6-litre turbocharged petrol DSport version of the car.
What’s it like?

In the raw, not as distinctive as you might expect. While the DS3 looks special enough to seem like a model in its own right, the DS4’s resemblance to a standard C4 is too close for comfort from some angles. Particularly from the front, where headlights and a bonnet borrowed wholesale from the lesser car do nothing to distinguish.
Moving around the car you begin to see points of difference; can’t miss the raised ride height, plunging roofline and more dramatic surfacing, in fact. But you’re left wondering if the cumulative aesthetic effect is quite special enough.
There’s a little bit more uniqueness inside the car – at least there was in our highly-equipped test car. The pleated ‘habana’ brown leather and patterned console and door-handle trims look rich and expensive.
An extra-long windscreen extends backwards over the driver’s head, removing the header rail from limiting your forward visibility, and there are various interior lighting flourishes like a strip of LEDs along the base of the windscreen, and instruments whose backlight colour you can change at your whim. Still, it does all seem rather like window dressing on a cabin that’s mainly inherited from a C4.
The DS4’s driving position is improved by the car’s higher-than-normal driver’s seat, but don’t expect SUV-like practicality elsewhere. The rear seats offer limited knee-and headroom, and there’s no more boot space than in a regular hatch.
So does the driving experience make more sense? Well, unlike the cabin fittings, it’s a far cry from the one you’ll find in a cooking C4. In pursuit of more driver involvement, Citroen has substituted the regular car’s electric power steering system for an electro-hydraulic system which is much heavier in weight and quicker in terms of pace.
Making a higher-riding car with a more dynamic drive wasn’t an easy brief, and it will surprise few that Citroen has had limited success in its mission. The DS4 has decent body control and a low-frequency lope to its primary ride quality over longer wave crests and undulations that makes it pretty comfortable and pleasant over smooth surfaces. Performance is as strong as you’d want it to be, and gearshift quality is good.
Over rougher surfaces, however, the DS4’s performance is anything but. Hit a short sharp bump and the relative crudity of the DS4’s rear suspension (a torsion beam) makes itself felt as the chassis thumps noisily. At higher speeds, the same kind of rough roads upset the DS4’s vertical body composure, and can cause the wheels to part company with the tarmac entirely.
Our test car’s 19in wheels with 40-profile tyres must have been of little help to its rolling refinement, and lower-spec examples may ride better. We expect none of them will have the kind of dynamic polish we were led to expect, however, based on the start made with the much more finely honed DS3.
Should I buy one?

If you like the novelty that the DS4 represents, and don’t much care about how it handles or how comfortable your friends are in the back seats, perhaps. But if, like us, you’re more interested in buying a car that has simple, objectively measurable talents, you’ll struggle to see the point.
To our eyes, the DS4 isn’t distinctive or stylish enough to justify its place in the world, and is too short on practicality, refinement and dynamic deportment to deserve recommendation for other reasons. It’s different, sure; but that’s not quite enough.

autocar.co.uk

Autocar ha provato il 1.6 THP da 200cv e non ne son rimasti particolarmente colpiti.