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Approfitto del post di Braccobaldo per chiedere un consiglio.

La Daewoo Kalos 1.4 benzina che usavo prima di acquistare la mia Jazz non è stata data in permuta nè rottamata, ma restituita a mia madre.

Attualmente quell'auto percorre tra i 1000 e i 2000 km annui (più mille che duemila), quasi tutti in ciclo urbano, qualcosa in extraurbano (quando l'adopero io per sgranchirla un po') e MAI autostrada.

Attualmente quest'auto monta delle gomme estive ricostruite RENOVA (sarei curioso di sapere il giudizio di chi ne sa su queste gomme che non ho mai sentito nominare prima). Queste gomme hanno sulle spalle circa 25'000 km e 4-5 anni buoni ma già presentano un marcatissimo decadimento delle prestazioni e preoccupanti crepe sul battistrada.

Sfortuntatamente mia madre non ha intenzione di "buttare soldi" per la manutenzione della sua auto. Già per i tagliandi (assolutamente random e presso un meccanico rumeno che lavora in officina e fa tagliandi in nero per arrotondare, dove porta da casa i pezzi di ricambio che compro io [sic!]) si arrangia in maniera discutibile, per quanto riguarda le gomme si tiene quei trappoloni attualmente montati.

Ora, siccome a me da fastidio la cosa, così come da fastidio la manutenzione approssimativa dell'auto che è stata mia (ma posso farci poco, a parte comprare i ricambi) pensavo ad una soluzione il più low cost possibile. E, fatalità, pensavo proprio a degli all season.

Il problema è trovare un ECCELLENTE compromesso qualità prezzo visto che le gomme probabilmente rimarranno montate fino a fine vita dell'auto per cui cercherei di montare un prodotto il più valido possibile ad un prezzo concorrenziale.

Ps. per ottemperare agli obblighi di legge, al momento teniamo le catene patacca nel baule :disp:

Al conformismo l'ironia fa più paura d'ogni argomentato ragionamento.

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On 23/9/2019 at 00:32, gianmy86 scrive:

Aspetto una giornata di pioggia per capire se anticipare quanto prima la sostituzione o se posso tirare almeno per altri 7-8 mila km. (L'idea sarebbe quella di attendere che le temperature qui si stabilizzino definitivamente sotto i 20° C - dicembre - prima di provvedere al cambio)

 

Quasi due mesi e 4000 km dopo, sono arrivate le piogge (pure troppo, 100 sfollati precauzionalmente nel paese natìo, 15 cm d'acqua nell'autorimessa sotto casa mia dove ho il posto auto, vabbè...)

 

La nota positiva è che con le temperature in questi giorni stabilmente sotto i 20°, le gomme, che sembravano finite o sul finire, magicamente tengono molto meglio la strada.

Ieri, su strada di montagna da poco allagata, con residui di fango e un tappeto di foglie secche bagnate dalla pioggerellina, avevo un grip eccellente. Bene così!

- '95 Fiat Cinquecento 900 cc MOTORE NUOVO(dal 1995 in garage, spero mia finchè campo)

- '10 Alfa Romeo MiTo 1.4 TB MultiAir 135 cv Distinctive Premium Pack (dal 2017)

 

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Test ALVOLANTE:

 

https://www.alvolante.it/news/gomme-all-season-confronto-sette-modelli-365616

 

Tutti gli AllSeason di marche TOP  sono validi 

Pirelli il miglior qualità/prezzo, Nokian il migliore su neve, Bridgestone il migliore su acqua e Michelin il migliore AllRounder

 

PS Peccato che abbiano deciso di confrontare i TOP col peggiore LowCost, mentre ci sono tanti INTERESSANTISSIMI best buy : MAXXIS PREMITRA AS su tutti

(70 eur https://www.prezzogomme.it/pneumatici-auto/maxxis/premitra-as-ap3/225-45-r17.html    )  

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, ma anche Nexen (NBlue 4Season) , Riken (AllSeason copia del Michelin Climate) ,Falken (col nuovissimo As 210),  Kleber (Quadraxer), Barum (Quartaris5) e Fulda (Multicontrol)

 

Ecco una prova COMPLETA  (con 50 pneumatici)

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2019-All-Season-Tyre-Performance-Overview.htm

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Stessa misura su auto TP:

 

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2019-Auto-Bild-All-Season-Tyre-Test.htm

 

 

 

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Stessa Golf, ma misura inferiore 205

 

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2019-Auto-Express-All-Season-Tyre-Test.htm

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16 ore fa, 1happydream scrive:

Pirelli il miglior qualità/prezzo

 

La prova rispecchia totalmente il mio feedback. Giusto un'ora fa ho fatto il solito tratto collinare sotto il diluvio e si, danno tanta sicurezza.
In proporzione, consumandosi, meglio sul bagnato che sull'asciutto. Tra qualche settimana potrebbe gelare nell'avellinese, vedremo come se la caveranno.

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- '95 Fiat Cinquecento 900 cc MOTORE NUOVO(dal 1995 in garage, spero mia finchè campo)

- '10 Alfa Romeo MiTo 1.4 TB MultiAir 135 cv Distinctive Premium Pack (dal 2017)

 

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3 ore fa, 1happydream scrive:

@Damynavy: sono pneumatici piu' che altro M*S.. non sono dei veri Allrounder.

Vanno bene per auto prestazionali, ma sulla neve cedono parecchio (e non solo sulla neve)

Feedback , reviews e Test abbastanza modesti

 

@1happydream

Il problema è, che io, l'auto prestazionale non ce l'ho!!!?

 

NON la uso per escursioni montane.

 

Per la neve che trovo in pianura mi bastano.

 

Sopperisco con la trazione quattro.

 

 

È eccezionale ?

 

Monto i 19"

https://tirereviewsandmore.com/goodyear-eagle-f1-asymmetric-all-season-reviews/

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Test speciale su pneumatici AllSeason USATI

 

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/New-VS-4mm-VS-2mm-All-Season-Tyre-Performance.htm

 

E qui si vede il reale VALORE del prodotto Michelin CrossClimate+ (e la debacle del Nokian WeatherProof, migliore da nuovo e peggiore da usato)

 

Conclusion

As this was primarily an all season tyre test, the testers at Auto Bild only considered the all season tyres in the final result, which are noted below. We recommend visiting the Auto Bild website to see the full data from all six all season tyres on test.

 

Michelin CrossClimate Plus 1st: Michelin CrossClimate+
Overall: Exemplary all-rounder with balanced performance and the least performance degradation throughout the treadlife. One of the highest priced tyres, but the mileage balances with the price as the best wearing tyre on test. Highly recommended.

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Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons Gen 2 2nd: Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons Gen 2
Overall: Strong all-rounder with best performance on wet and snowy roads at new and 4 mm. Average dry grip to start with, but improves as the tyre wears. Low rolling resistance, and a good price to wear ratio. Recommended.

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Pirelli Cinturato AllSeason 3rd: Pirelli Cinturato AllSeason
Overall: Only good in the snow when new, after 4mm the performance drops. Too expensive for the mileage provided, and high rolling resistance. Conditionally recommended.

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Hankook Kinergy 4S 4th: Hankook Kinergy 4S
Overall: Like the Pirelli, the Hankook is only safe when new, with the snow and wet performance dropping with tyre wear. The dry performance increases as the tread wears. Poor wear. Conditionally recommended.

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Vredestein Quatrac 5 5th: Vredestein Quatrac 5
Overall: Balanced performance when new, but by 4mm the performance has dropped significantly. Conditionally recommended.

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Nokian WeatherProof 6th: Nokian WeatherProof
Overall: One of the strongest performances when new, but weakest when worn. Poor mileage. Conditionally recommended.

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http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/New-VS-4mm-VS-2mm-All-Season-Tyre-Performance.htm

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Altro test recente 225/45 17 (Bmw Serie 1 )

 

AUTOBILD:

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2019-Auto-Bild-All-Season-Tyre-Test.htm

 

Results

 

Michelin CrossClimate Plus 1st: Michelin CrossClimate+
  1. Wet Braking: 5th (+6.2M)
  2. Dry Braking: 4th (+2M)
  3. Wet Handling: 4th (+-1.6Km/H)
  4. Dry Handling: 2nd (+-0.6Km/H)
  5. Wear: 1st (+0Km)
  6. Rolling Resistance: 4th (+0.93kg / t)
  7. Noise: 11th (+2.4dB)
  8. Straight Aqua: 11th (+-6.8Km/H)
  9. Snow Braking: 6th (+2.1M)
  10. Snow Handling: 6th (+-23.3s)
  11. Snow Handling: 2nd (+-0.2Km/H)
  12. Value: 4th (+1.02Price/1000)
  13. Price: 10th (+130)
Positive: Convincing all round performance with sporty driving characteristics in all conditions. Precise steering, short wet and dry braking, lowest wear and good comfort.
Negative: None mentioned.
Overall: Test winner.

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Vredestein Quatrac Pro 2nd: Vredestein Quatrac Pro
  1. Wet Braking: 3rd (+4.1M)
  2. Dry Braking: 9th (+5M)
  3. Wet Handling: 1st (+0Km/H)
  4. Dry Handling: 3rd (+-1.2Km/H)
  5. Wear: 6th (+-18800Km)
  6. Rolling Resistance: 6th (+1.41kg / t)
  7. Noise: 5th (+0.8dB)
  8. Straight Aqua: 10th (+-6.4Km/H)
  9. Snow Braking: 5th (+1.6M)
  10. Snow Handling: 5th (+-23.3s)
  11. Snow Handling: 7th (+-1Km/H)
  12. Value: 8th (+1.87Price/1000)
  13. Price: 6th (+55)
Positive: Excellent year round tyres with impressive qualities on ice and snow, sport handling on wet and dry roads, precise steering response with good feedback, short braking distances in the wet.
Negative: Average wear.
Overall: Exemplary.

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Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons Gen 2 3rd: Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons Gen 2
  1. Wet Braking: 4th (+5.1M)
  2. Dry Braking: 11th (+6.5M)
  3. Wet Handling: 5th (+-1.7Km/H)
  4. Dry Handling: 10th (+-3Km/H)
  5. Wear: 3rd (+-6700Km)
  6. Rolling Resistance: 3rd (+0.9kg / t)
  7. Noise: 4th (+0.7dB)
  8. Straight Aqua: 4th (+-3.9Km/H)
  9. Snow Braking: 2nd (+0.3M)
  10. Snow Handling: 2nd (+-23.3s)
  11. Snow Handling: 1st (+0Km/H)
  12. Value: 5th (+1.06Price/1000)
  13. Price: 8th (+90)
Positive: An excellent all season tyre with strong winter characteristics, safe handling and a good balance int he wet, good comfort, good mileage, good price to wear ratio.
Negative: Slow steering in the dry.
Overall: Good.

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Continental AllSeasonContact 4th: Continental AllSeasonContact
  1. Wet Braking: 7th (+7.5M)
  2. Dry Braking: 8th (+4.7M)
  3. Wet Handling: 3rd (+-1.4Km/H)
  4. Dry Handling: 5th (+-1.9Km/H)
  5. Wear: 2nd (+-3100Km)
  6. Rolling Resistance: 2nd (+0.19kg / t)
  7. Noise: 7th (+1.4dB)
  8. Straight Aqua: 12th (+-7.9Km/H)
  9. Snow Braking: 3rd (+0.9M)
  10. Snow Handling: 3rd (+-23.3s)
  11. Snow Handling: 6th (+-0.9Km/H)
  12. Value: 3rd (+1.01Price/1000)
  13. Price: 9th (+110)
Positive: A balanced all season tyre with sporty wet handling, low wear, short braking distances and stable cornering on ice and snow, good price / performance ratio, low rolling resistance.
Negative: Slightly extended wet braking.
Overall: Good.

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Hankook Kinergy 4S2 5th: Hankook Kinergy 4S2
  1. Wet Braking: 10th (+8.4M)
  2. Dry Braking: 6th (+4.1M)
  3. Wet Handling: 7th (+-2Km/H)
  4. Dry Handling: 4th (+-1.7Km/H)
  5. Wear: 7th (+-20300Km)
  6. Rolling Resistance: 5th (+1.02kg / t)
  7. Noise: 8th (+1.5dB)
  8. Straight Aqua: 5th (+-4.6Km/H)
  9. Snow Braking: 4th (+1.5M)
  10. Snow Handling: 4th (+-23.3s)
  11. Snow Handling: 4th (+-0.3Km/H)
  12. Value: 7th (+1.59Price/1000)
  13. Price: 3rd (+30)
Positive: Strong winter performance, good traction and dynamic handling on snow, good aquaplaning safety, good wet and dry handling, good price to performance ratio.
Negative: Slightly extended wet braking.
Overall: Good.

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Nexen N Blue 4 Season 6th: Nexen N Blue 4 Season
  1. Wet Braking: 8th (+8M)
  2. Dry Braking: 7th (+4.4M)
  3. Wet Handling: 9th (+-2.6Km/H)
  4. Dry Handling: 9th (+-2.9Km/H)
  5. Wear: 4th (+-10900Km)
  6. Rolling Resistance: 11th (+2.57kg / t)
  7. Noise: 1st (+0dB)
  8. Straight Aqua: 8th (+-5.8Km/H)
  9. Snow Braking: 9th (+2.4M)
  10. Snow Handling: 9th (+-23.3s)
  11. Snow Handling: 5th (+-0.8Km/H)
  12. Value: 1st (+0Price/1000)
  13. Price: 1st (+0)
Positive: Low priced all season tyres with a safe balance in all weathers, stable cornering and short braking in the snow, low wear, good price to performance ratio, low noise.
Negative: Slightly extended wet braking, high rolling resistance.
Overall: Good.

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Maxxis Premitra All Season AP3 7th: Maxxis Premitra All Season AP3
  1. Wet Braking: 11th (+8.6M)
  2. Dry Braking: 2nd (+1.6M)
  3. Wet Handling: 11th (+-3.9Km/H)
  4. Dry Handling: 7th (+-2.1Km/H)
  5. Wear: 9th (+-22700Km)
  6. Rolling Resistance: 7th (+1.43kg / t)
  7. Noise: 2nd (+0.5dB)
  8. Straight Aqua: 2nd (+-2.5Km/H)
  9. Snow Braking: 10th (+3M)
  10. Snow Handling: 10th (+-23.3s)
  11. Snow Handling: 8th (+-1.2Km/H)
  12. Value: 9th (+2.04Price/1000)
  13. Price: 4th (+35)
Positive: A new all season tyre form a Chinese manufacturer with safe handling on snow and dry roads, good aquaplaning resistance, short dry braking distances.
Negative: Average grip in the wet, long wet braking, average wear.
Overall: Good.

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Kumho Solus HA31 8th: Kumho Solus HA31
  1. Wet Braking: 6th (+7.1M)
  2. Dry Braking: 10th (+5.9M)
  3. Wet Handling: 10th (+-3.3Km/H)
  4. Dry Handling: 11th (+-3.2Km/H)
  5. Wear: 5th (+-11200Km)
  6. Rolling Resistance: 10th (+1.61kg / t)
  7. Noise: 3rd (+0.6dB)
  8. Straight Aqua: 9th (+-6.3Km/H)
  9. Snow Braking: 7th (+2.3M)
  10. Snow Handling: 7th (+-23.3s)
  11. Snow Handling: 9th (+-1.8Km/H)
  12. Value: 2nd (+0.62Price/1000)
  13. Price: 4th (+35)
Positive: Good aquaplaning properties, low wear, short braking distances on snow, low noise.
Negative: Average snow handling, slightly extended wet and dry braking distances, soft dry handling, average comfort.
Overall: Average.

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Bridgestone Weather Control A005 9th: Bridgestone Weather Control A005
  1. Wet Braking: 2nd (+3.9M)
  2. Dry Braking: 3rd (+1.8M)
  3. Wet Handling: 6th (+-1.8Km/H)
  4. Dry Handling: 5th (+-1.9Km/H)
  5. Wear: 10th (+-31800Km)
  6. Rolling Resistance: 1st (+0kg / t)
  7. Noise: 10th (+1.8dB)
  8. Straight Aqua: 7th (+-5.3Km/H)
  9. Snow Braking: 11th (+3.8M)
  10. Snow Handling: 11th (+-23.3s)
  11. Snow Handling: 11th (+-2.1Km/H)
  12. Value: 10th (+4.92Price/1000)
  13. Price: 7th (+80)
Positive: Short braking distances and sport handling in the wet and dry, good aquaplaning reserves, low rolling resistance.
Negative: Average performance in the snow, very poor wear.
Overall: Average.

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Cooper Discoverer All Season 10th: Cooper Discoverer All Season
  1. Wet Braking: 12th (+10.2M)
  2. Dry Braking: 5th (+3.3M)
  3. Wet Handling: 12th (+-6.4Km/H)
  4. Dry Handling: 12th (+-3.8Km/H)
  5. Wear: 8th (+-20700Km)
  6. Rolling Resistance: 8th (+1.47kg / t)
  7. Noise: 6th (+1.1dB)
  8. Straight Aqua: 3rd (+-3.1Km/H)
  9. Snow Braking: 7th (+2.3M)
  10. Snow Handling: 7th (+-23.3s)
  11. Snow Handling: 10th (+-1.9Km/H)
  12. Value: 6th (+1.35Price/1000)
  13. Price: 2nd (+15)
Positive: Good aquaplaning resistance, short braking distances in the snow and on dry roads, low price.
Negative: Poor cornering and long braking distances in the wet, slow steering and poor balance in the dry.
Overall: Not Recommended.

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Reference Summer 11th: Reference Summer
  1. Wet Braking: 1st (+0M)
  2. Dry Braking: 1st (+0M)
  3. Wet Handling: 2nd (+-1Km/H)
  4. Dry Handling: 1st (+0Km/H)
  5. Wear: 1st (+-70800Km)
  6. Rolling Resistance: 12th (+2.72kg / t)
  7. Noise: 8th (+1.5dB)
  8. Straight Aqua: 1st (+0Km/H)
  9. Snow Braking: 12th (+46M)
  10. Snow Handling: 12th (+-23.3s)
  11. Snow Handling: 12th (+-56.9Km/H)
  12. Value: 12th (+-5.34Price/1000)
  13. Price: 12th (+-320)
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Reference Winter 11th: Reference Winter
  1. Wet Braking: 8th (+8M)
  2. Dry Braking: 11th (+6.5M)
  3. Wet Handling: 8th (+-2.1Km/H)
  4. Dry Handling: 8th (+-2.3Km/H)
  5. Wear: 8th (+-70800Km)
  6. Rolling Resistance: 9th (+1.6kg / t)
  7. Noise: 12th (+2.6dB)
  8. Straight Aqua: 6th (+-4.7Km/H)
  9. Snow Braking: 1st (+0M)
  10. Snow Handling: 1st (+-23.3s)
  11. Snow Handling: 2nd (+-0.2Km/H)
  12. Value: 2nd (+-5.34Price/1000)
  13. Price: 2nd (+-320)

Come sempre CrossClimate + VINCE !

 

Tra le opzioni best buy sempre loro 2

-Maxxis Premitra AllSeason AP3 (il più simile alla filosofia Michelin, ottimo AllRounder per tutto l'anno, anche al caldo e sull'asciutto)

-Nexen N Blue 4 Season ( Best Buy Assoluto...ideale per chi cerca un AllSeason che vada veramente bene anche sulla neve)

 

PS Deludente Bridgestone WC A005 che, come il Nokia WeatherProof , è buonissimo da nuovo , ma si consuma rapidissimamente

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https://www.pneumatici4stagioni.it/migliori-pneumatici-4-stagioni/

 

Le classifiche...(eccone un'altra 2018/19)

 

  1. Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons Gen-2
  2. Michelin CrossClimate Plus
  3. Continental All Season Contact
  4. Kleber Quadraxer 2
  5. Vredestein Quatrac 5
  6. Pirelli Cinturato AllSeason
  7. Maxxis All Season AP2 

Goodyear o Michelin.

Su queste due "cadrebbe" la mia scelta.

 

 

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