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4 minuti fa, Pawel72 scrive:

Infatti io non pagherei nemmeno 10.000 per una plancia cosi .., piuttosto mi compro una Dacia .....! ( non sto scherzando ...) !

Il problema è che certi giornali ( giornalisti) hanno la tendenza di ''minimizzare il problema'',soprattutto quando si tratta del made in Germany..

Comunque sono un po' cheap  per i miei gusti..., ma probabilmente coloro che spenderanno 60.000 euro ..., che cosa penseranno ...!? Faranno finta di non vedere nulla di  ....!? Ditemi voi !? 🤔


beh la Tesla model 3 come plancia ha una mensola con un televisore attaccato con un braccio e vende benissimo, si vede che a queste auto "green" si perdonano difetti imperdonabili per le auto normali.

difetti che, oltretutto, non hanno nulla a che fare con la propulsione elettrica ma sono scelte deliberate per risparmiare.

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Non so se si era già detto, comunque dal 12 Febbraio è ordinabile la ID.4 in allestimento 1st Edition. 

"Qualche emiro che compra una Ferrari lo troverò sempre. Ma se il ceto medio finisce in miseria, chi mi comprerà le Panda?"

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Carino lo spot di ID.4 come idea mi ricorda quello di Passat US con il bambino vestito da Darth Vader. 



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VW faces sluggish start for ID4 sales in China

Lack of smart tech features, fierce competition blamed for low demand


SHANGHAI -- Volkswagen's ID family - the backbone of its electric-vehicle ambitions - is off to what even company sources call a worryingly slow start in China.

Sales of two ID4 electric SUVs, the ID4 X and ID4 Crozz, were just 1,213 combined in May. And that was about 200 fewer than in April, according to auto consultancy LMC.

The sales fall far short of VW's initial hopes, four people with knowledge of the matter said, and below what some other automakers have achieved with early sales of flagship EV offerings in the world's largest auto market.

VW's venture with state-owned SAIC Motor, which makes the slightly bigger ID4 X model, had been targeting sales of 50,000-60,000 vehicles this year, according to comments by Yang Siyao, a company marketing executive, in Chinese media in March.

A separate venture between VW and FAW which makes the ID4 Crozz had similar targets, one of the sources said.

Those goals now seem unrealistic.

Furthermore, both ventures' EV plants are running below 10 percent of production capacity, according to three of the people.

The sources blamed the less than auspicious debut on a lack of smart tech features, fierce competition, a late launch compared to Tesla and Chinese EV makers as well as hiccups with its new EV sales network.

"Sales so far are behind our earlier expectations. We've had to dial down production plans for the ID4 again and again," said one person, who like the other sources was not authorized to speak to media and declined to be identified.

"This is not healthy, but at the moment customers are not coming to buy them."

In another sign of sales stress, SAIC-Volkswagen has suggested staff members buy ID4s, according to an internal memo seen by Reuters.

By comparison, Tesla sold 6,612 of its Model Y in China in the first two months after its launch. The ID4's sales performance in China also contrasts sharply with Europe, where it is a top-selling electric car with 12,101 sold in the first two months post-launch, according to JATO Dynamics.

VW said in a statement to Reuters that ID4 China sales were in line with expectations as it builds up production and a new sales network, adding it does not view Tesla's Model Y as a direct competitor for the ID4, which occupies a different vehicle type segment.

It also said it was confident the two ID4 models would see sales growth and noted plans for three more ID models to be launched this year in China.

More than any other country, China has aggressively pushed for the adoption of EVs, introducing sales quotas as it seeks to cut pollution, encourage the growth of its auto industry and reduce reliance on oil.

VW, the country's biggest foreign automaker with 3.85 million vehicles - mostly gasoline - sold last year, has more riding on successfully transitioning its customers to EVs than the average automaker. It has also declared its intention to surpass Tesla as the world's top EV maker by 2025, ensuring that China will become a crucial battleground.

Lacking tech

But getting customers on board is another matter altogether.

At a shopping mall in western Shanghai last week, David Qian, a 50-year-old engineer, was looking for an EV for his wife but found he was not drawn to the ID4 X, which starts at just under 200,000 yuan ($31,000).

"The car looks okay but I know it is not smart enough," said Qian, who owns a Tesla Model 3 and enthuses about its assisted-driving technology.

Unlike Tesla models and a growing number of vehicles from Chinese electric car makers like Xpeng and Nio, the ID4 cannot park itself and does not offer advanced self-driving features or advanced voice-controlled functions.

"Chinese consumers value the sense of technology and science fiction of electric vehicles, and brand loyalty has always been low which is completely different from the European market," said Yale Zhang, head of Shanghai-based consultancy AutoForesight.

And unlike Europe, electric car competition is already cutthroat in China, where a plethora of manufacturers compete and the top-selling Wuling Hong Guang Mini EV, an entry-level sedan made by a General Motors joint venture, costs just 28,800 yuan ($4,450).

At the shopping mall where Qian checked out the ID4, the SAIC-Volkswagen showroom is right next door to a store run by Xpeng and close to rival stores belonging to EV startup Neta and Huawei, which sells an electric car in partnership with automaker Seres. A store for Chinese EV maker Aiways is also set to open nearby soon.

"Compared with Europe, this car has too much competition and they are all new models with a strong tech sense," said Zhang.

VW said in its statement it would be offering new software feature updates in the future and with newer models.

Teething problems

VW has been faster than some other foreign automakers in China with EV development such as Toyota and Ford, but sources say ideally it should have moved quicker.

Its joint ventures' EV plants, which can each build 300,000 vehicles per year, were ready for mass production in early 2020 but time taken to develop the vehicles in Germany meant the new ID4s did not get regulatory approval until July, they added.

At the distribution level, Volkswagen is grappling with the introduction of new sales strategies popular with pure-play EV competitors.

Rather than relying predominantly on its existing roughly 2,000-dealer network, it is shifting to an agency sales model for EVs where showrooms are typically located in shopping malls, prices are fixed and there is no inventory for showroom operators.

The lack of inventory, however, has meant that staff who are used to the pressure inventory brings have less financial motivation to sell product, people familiar with the matter said.

Volkswagen said in its statement that production at its EV plants was running on schedule and that internal feedback on its new agency model is very positive.

It had 12 ID stores in China as of end-May and plans to have more than 100 stores by the end of this year. It is also boosting its number of ID sales agents to more than 1,000 by the year's end from 825 currently.



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