DJTaurus

dimenticavo dire che nelle versioni di lancio 3.2 sara' esclusivamente con torsen-c, 2.2 solo con ta e 2.4jtd a ta con torsen-c in opzione.

Is it true that bmw has the same hardware(copied) for Smg gearbox with first selespeed seen on 156 but with better software?

I read this...cheap ferrari????????

This suggests that Ferrari is the last of the big premium car marques to indulge in brand extension -- something its rivals have been happy to indulge in but which Ferrari has so far eschewed.

i read an article of jiancarlo perini...he says....The new maserati coupe/spyder projects of pinifarina-Giougiaro have been rejected and the new coupe/spyder will be based in 159's premium platform and not quattroporte's platform...Also 169 will be based in premium platform and not in maserati's rwd platform!Is that true?

Fusi you made a connection of jts and old engines and i have been confused in a historical matter...

Six cylinder had-cintura and four cylinder-chain?

Also i found this...

40$

http://www.campbellriversales.com/v...vl-stitched.jpg

Rolls Royce Silver Ghost 1907 called 'THE Silver Ghost'

I am waiting taurus to show the real list.

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oh, it's a sort o nickname for the bmw 3er...here in italy the 3er is called "serie 3" so...

sr3 non ha riscontrato particolari differenze

There're no so much connections.......

The return of the chain and the all alluminium engine.

Ho diverse fonti........... comunque alcuna "carta" la ho da tempo (e tu lo sai) altra mi è arrivata ieri.......... se mi arriva lunedì è difficile che te ne possa parlare domenica, eh.......

Do you know if Q4 will be optional in 2.2jts?

Taurus was right....journalists tested 159 with manual and selespeed an measured for 3.2 0-100 in 6.5!!!!!!!!!

Also they said that 159 4wd with sport kit is as fun as a rwd maserati!

Is it true that the 159 will feature Dual Drive and on/off button of Vdc as masai told?

I am very happy...today i drove the new bmw series 3....My alfa Gt is a lot sporty car despite being fwd than the souless bmw....I Love alfa romeo!A friend of mine did a ride in milano with 159 2.2 q4.....he owns an 156....he was so scared that told the driver to stop the car....159 handles SUBERB.....and has the build quality of a german car.

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7375

Why they still camuflage the prototype?Maybe testing Gta?

mamma che schifooooo!!! non ci posso credere...ma è incredibile...sto motore è un polmone allucinante...come fa a fare solo i 240km/h e l'accellerazione in 7s...è scandalosa la faccenda...certamente non è un motore da alfa...l'audi con Ti e 5cv in meno fa tranquillamente i 250...aiuto...ma cosa sta succedendo...la gt con il vecchio busso 3.2 e 20,leggasi 20...,cv in meno, va più veloce...

sono schifato a dir poco...

e sembrano proprio dati ufficiali...ormai taurus stavolta ti sei screditato all'inverosimile...20km in meno e sopratutto quasi uns in più dallo zero a cento...bel polmone...tradizione alfa cestinata dalla dirigenza fiat...vergogna...!!!

Official performance numbers are in my opinion rather dissapointing: 0-100 in 7,0s, Vmax: 240km/h (rival BMW 330i 6,3s, 250km/h).Not 6.0sec!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7356

The goods on the Brera/159 engine?

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So, what do you guys think are the GOOD things about this engine? Although for me, it feels more like a GM engine with a touch of Alfa Romeo sprinkled here and there I know that once I get away from that point, there are (supposedly) some promising things going on here. This article was taken from italiaspeed.com.

"A product of the recently terminated Fiat-GM Powertrain joint venture, the new 3.2 litre V6 engine is built in Melbourne, Australia, alongside variants for various GM marques, and is supplied to Italy as a complete assembly to be fitted to cars on the production line.

The new V6 engine has been welcomed with mixed emotions by Alfa Romeo enthusiasts, despite the engine not yet having been trialed by the media.

Feedback from members who have driven the new Alfa Romeo 159 and Brera models fitted with the engine have, however, relayed a very positive note, expressing that the cars were characterized with ‘impressive performance and smoothness’. The engine is uniquely different from any of the other variants of the GM V6 engine range, and can be described as a true Alfa Romeo gem, with the majority of components having been redesigned around the bare block.

As described by the leader behind the technical development centre at Alfa Romeo, Paulo Massai, the block itself can be regarded as an “insensitive and inanimate piece of metal”, with the features that determine the true soul of the engine having been fully engineered from the ground up.

Skepticisms about the GM connotations of this engine should thus be swept under the carpet, as the engine features a brand new cylinder head, new liners, pistons, manifolds and injection system, to name but a few of the changes.

One of the issues closest to the heart of Alfisti will be how this new engine sounds, with the original Arese built V6 playing an almost trademark soundtrack. Alfa Romeo engineers worked day and night with the quest to achieve an engine note worthy of the Alfa Romeo V6 badge, and the presence of a twin tail-pipe exhaust system will certainly complement this nicely.

The so-called Twin Phaser engine uses the second-generation lean burn, direct fuel injection JTS system that was pioneered on the 2.0 litre 4-pot JTS engine in the successful Alfa Romeo 156. Reduced to practical figures, this technical jargon signifies that the new V6 engine will be 40% more economical, and produce 22 Nm more torque than the original Alfa Romeo V6 engine that it is replacing. Power output has now increased to 260 bhp.

Compared to the over-square Arese V6, which was appreciated for delivering generous mid-range grunt, the new 3.2 V6 has an almost unit bore-to-stroke ratio, which allows for 88% of torque to be available from 2000 rpm. In combination with the third generation all-wheel-drive Torson C system, the Alfa Romeo 159 and Brera V6 models will feature exuberant temperament, with little effort being required.

All of these improvements have to be summed up against critique, however, and in the case of the new V6 engine this comes in the form of under-bonnet looks. The original Alfa Romeo V6 was, quite simply put, a work of art. In the case of the new V6 engine though, the looks are not worth writing home about.

A future variant of the new V6 engine worth keeping an eye out for is the twin-turbo GTA model, which will feature the brand new UNIAIR variable valve technology, and boast a power output of 405 bhp and 680 Nm of torque."

Taurus's always been saying a lot of crap.

Learn not to hear him.

8C is suspended for the moment, since KHK is trying to focus on sedans or sportcars derived from sedans, in order to cash in as much money as possible to finance new project and new technologies.

The new german Ceo in several interviews in geneve when he was asked about kamal-8c didn't tell if they will go in production.Why they still keep their mouths closed...

Can anyone translate taurus message?pleaseee!