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On 3/31/2024 at 12:50 PM, Renault said:

Qualche moderna anche da parte mia.

 

E concludo con un'auto che personalmente adoro, non tanto per l'aspetto ma perché è un rebadge e perché il marchio che porta è ormai estinto. Parlo di questa Mercury Mariner I Serie US-Specs, in mano ad un militare NATO ma aveva i bollini 2005 sulla targa, quindi potrebbe essere una delle primissime essendo stata lanciata proprio in quell'anno; Era appunto il rebadge del Ford Escape dal quale si differenziava per alcuni piccoli particolari e per la mascherina dedicata. 

 

 

This is rare car even in North America, I've seen it only once since I came to Canada in 2013

10 hours ago, PaoloGTC said:

 

Eeeh ne hai di robe che io non ho! A partire dalla gioventù, per passare alla mano con la grafica e con la fotografia, e potrei andare avanti  

Parto dalla tua chiusura: la maquette allestita su pianale meccanizzato è l'ipotesi che convince di più anche me... il dubbio (atroce eh.. siam qui a spaccare il capello in quattro su una roba di oltre 40 anni fa ) è se fosse meccanizzata/funzionante oppure meccanizzata e basta per renderla 1) mobile 2) già utile in fase di costruzione per vedere se gli ingombri meccanici e la carrozzeria andavan d'accordo (ne facevano di maquettes in cui i motori erano solo manichini... vedi la Ferrari Pinin che è stata resa funzionante solo pochi anni fa perchè il V12 che conteneva era quasi finto...).

Perchè di maquettes montate su una meccanica (o simulacro della stessa) ce n'è una anche nelle foto scattate all'interno del CS Alfa, l'avevo postata qualche tempo fa (non ricordo se qui o nel topic dedicato alla 164) e la ripropongo.

Questa qua, se osserviamo l'interno dell'abitacolo attraverso il parabrezza che non c'è e notiamo come è fatta la fiancata, non pare un'auto apribile: i montanti non danno l'idea di una scocca su cui poggiano delle portiere apribili, la struttura è troppo esile e oltretutto non vedo indizi di aperture/accoppiamenti. Certo, c'è un volante, ma le fiancate sembrano un pezzo solo, come fosse la carrozzeria di una Bburago.

Però c'è un radiatore (o intercooler che sia) e attraverso lo scudetto notiamo un collettore di scarico di un motore TRASVERSALE: siamo quindi davanti ad una maquette iso-156 Cressoni però a TA?

E perchè c'è il motore? Se fosse funzionante, come si guida? Entrando dai finestrini come Bo e Luke?

Allora magari 'sta cosa non marcia, e il motore è un manichino.

 

 

A scanso di equivoci, non è ovviamente la vettura delle foto di cui stiamo parlando in questi giorni... è molto diversa ed è, lei sì, molto simile ai prototipi neri, come linea.

Anche questa è un bel mistero  

We can see a 75 at the back of the first picture, with a side strip at the bottom of the body. I just can guess but it was probably in 1982-1983. Again I'm guessing but in that period they could only adopt the design of 156 to the new T4 platform. I think the proposal from Pininfarina was not ready yet.

53 minutes ago, sonicwp7 said:

While looking for some info on the type 156 I found this article, with a couple of photos, which I don't think add anything new.. 

https://driventowrite.com/2015/07/27/prototype-tipo-156-last-alfa-romeo/

His source is Alfabb, where Paolo posted pictures and the info about the car. 

https://www.alfabb.com/threads/alfa-164-the-genesis.204144/

Paolo, the first 3 photos show the static car in the same position, look at he angle of the front wheels, it's the same.

At the last two photos the front wheels were straight, but the position of the car on the road looks the same as the previous pictures. 

To me the car looks static

7 hours ago, PaoloGTC said:

 

I'm quoting because I found it 

 

 

 

I think it is 154, the front overhang is obviously from the front wheel drive car. And the engine line is very low, following the low height of boxer architecture and sub-horizontal placement of L4.
Thank you Paolo!

The grey 147 GTA reminds me the 147 Castagna LE made for Lapo Elkann

On 2/23/2024 at 12:07 PM, L' informatore d'auto said:

 

Foto scattata presso gli studi ItalDesign nell'Aprile 1990 .

 

 

 

The text below the photo:

The moment of work in the ItalDesign studio, April 1990. The lead body designer - Chieso (i might be wrong with the translation of the last name), Margarita (Giugiaro's executive assistant), Project manager - Antonello, M. Demidovcev, S. Sinelnikov, G, Grabor

From page 68

From page 65:

The story of A-93 starts here and finishes at the page 70
https://www.rulit.me/books/vysokoj-mysli-plamen-chast-tretya-read-251440-64.html

On 1/31/2024 at 10:27 AM, PaoloGTC said:

Per quanto riguarda il progetto del camuffo per la proposta di Giugiaro... non saprei dire se alla fine sia stato messo in pratica. Mai vista un'immagine di un prototipo di quella vettura in strada.

 

Da amante dei camuffi però è molto bello vedere che il loro studio passava anche attraverso la realizzazione di bozzetti, come per il design vero e proprio.  

 

Tempo fa avevo messo via delle prove simili per le 33 restyling e la 155... siamo leggermente OT perchè non si tratta di mai nate, ma guardo un attimo se le trovo....ah ecco qui c'è la 155: bozzetto e circolare interna che vi invito a leggere  

 

e qui la 33 restyling, in un bozzetto che studia il camuffo di una "ibrida" con il nuovo posteriore abbinato al vecchio frontale... anche se poi a dire il vero di prototipi "ibridi" nella cartella delle spies di 33 Rst non ne ho manco uno... erano camuffati proprio così, ma avevano già il frontale nuovo. Non saranno stati paparazzati... va bene che le foto ai tempi eran tante e le ho messe via tutte o quasi, ma non è detto che riuscissero a "beccare" sempre tutto, gli spioni...

 

 

Paolo, just my 2 cents... My thoughts

How could IDeA present the complete design (1:1 model) of 155 in a such short period of time (February-March 1987)?
I think the design of 155 was almost the same as 434 by IDeA.

The wheel base of 434 was 2600mm (Tipo 3 - 2540), the front overhang 900 (Tipo 3 - 960), the rear overhang 850mm (Tipo 3 - 943). Probably the task of De Silva was to work with FIAT/IDeA and Alfa and adopt the 434 design to Tipo 3 platform?

And even in the Chirico book the shape of the 433-434 at the drawings is very similar to 155 and to the photos posted above

P.S. 

Finmeccanica announced that FIAT won over Ford on November 6, 1986

De Silva had the interview with Eugenio Alzati (CEO of Alfa Romeo) in the Autumn of 1986 (probably late October?)

De Silva officially became the Manager of Centro Stile on December 1, 1986

FIAT "bought" Alfa Romeo on December 31, 1986

Paolo, we know that Busso dreamed about FWD, the 152, which eventually became 433/434. The AR management obviously wanted Tipo 2/3!

This is the strategic plan from 1980 that was accepted by IRI. Starting from 1983 all Alfa Nord models (except Alfa 6) supposed to have the 152 Front Wheel Drive platform, which later became the 433/434 - single platform for the Nord and Sud models.

On 1/31/2024 at 10:10 AM, PaoloGTC said:

I bozzetti di Brovarone per una Montrealona con la coda in stile "break" oggi per me danno più senso al design di quei muletti con un posteriore totalmente diverso da quello della vettura di produzione.

Voglio dire, va bene camuffare ma qui non c'era "sotto" la carrozzeria definitiva (o quasi) coperta da una struttura tipo station, come nel caso delle Alfette o Alfasud che avevano la loro forma e alla Sperimentazione avevano deciso di farle sembrare delle giardinette.... qui la parte posteriore della vera Montreal non c'era proprio... e fino ad oggi mi ero sempre chiesto perchè costruire una cosa del genere.

 

 

Paolo, I think they had 2 different types of V8 mules. The first one was SW type and the second was a Coupe type

Regarding Alfetta 2 porte

This model appeared in production plans in December of 1971. The internal codings of Berlina 2000 (2 porte) Sport were 116.16 (LHD) and 116.17 (RHD)

Weight - 1050 kg, 

And just for fun, the planned model line for 1972-1975

Guys, in my province, Alberta, Canada, stationary speed cameras are prohibited by the provincial government. They are considered a "cash cows". Now we have speed cameras on the special marked cars in the designated zones only. But they are prohibited at ring roads, in the zones with a speed limit lower than 50 km/h, etc. The municipalities every year should provide a proof that such cameras increase the safety. The amount of cameras is limited, municipalities can't install new cameras or upgrade equipment.

This is how our cameras look like, they are visible to everyone. Drivers should be aware of them

Remember, till early 70s speed limits on the highways were not existed. They were implemented not because of the safety but to limit fuel consumption during the oil crisis period.

In one of the QR's from 60s was a short article that speed limits in the cities increased incidents rate and traffic congestions. 

Speed doesn't kill!

I think Mitsubishi worked very closely with Aldo Sessano, and Colt probably was created by him

And it's happened mostly because of the sanctions to Russia. Chinese cars now represents 51.4% of the Russian market. All EU/Japanese/South Korean manufacturers closed factories in Russia, and Russian government opened the market to Chinese companies. 

Among all cars imported to Russia (new and second hand), Chinese cars represent 38.6%, in 4 quarter of 2023 - 46%. By approximate calculations in 2023 Russia imported about 550-600k cars (about 120k in 2022) from China (not including trucks and buses). 

12 hours ago, Motron said:

A part from the "barchetta" design, they seem quite similar even in the back.. maybe the small prototype could be a trial for a normalized design of Brezza.. does it make sense?

 

As I understand the Brezza project has not been pushed to the advanced stage and was cancelled at the stage of the prototype development. I don't think that the serial car could be at this stage. I think Brezza supposed to be RWD but the red mock up - FWD.

The overall design of the red mockup makes me think about the project that Zbigniew Maurer described in the article. And I think it also related to 147 Spider Zagato

https://www.speedholics.com/post/against-all-odds-alfa-romeo-new-spider-duetto-project-938

5 hours ago, Motron said:

Che poi alla fine si tratta di questa famosissima:

The grey car is Brezza, designed by Luca Capuano. Below is the final design of the car

I think the maquettes of the Spider and Coupe were done by IDeA. 

9 hours ago, PaoloGTC said:

That's right, it's Pininfarina. This beautiful drawing is also part of a Pinin portfolio that I had the opportunity to browse years ago while I was taking care of the Valsesia Lancia Story library.

In broad terms it should refer to the "Y3" project, for a flagship that was never born, and according to what I remember, the hand should be that of Brovarone.

The year is 1971.

Our good Roberto.c had memories of this sedan (or a very similar proposal)... he had told me about his model.

I would say it was done in late 60s, probably 68-69. It has some design similarities with Alfa 118 proposal from Pininfarina.

Also I think by the proportions we can see that the car supposed to be RWD. Probably Flaminia based. For some reason Ghia proposed Flaminia based coupe (Lancia Marcia) in 1969. Probably Lancia wanted develop the Flaminia platform but then switched to FWD project (Gamma)

On 2/20/2023 at 12:52 AM, KimKardashian said:

The Lancia K tablet! 
Unfortunately I can't find color photos

3 hours ago, Marco1975 said:

I know the son of the technician who installed the assembly lines in South Africa in the late 70s and early 80s. Then everything was closed after acquisition by Fiat

They assembled Giulietta II, Alfetta, also GTV, 33 and Sprint 

It was closed because of the sanctions to South Africa (apartheid)

Before that AR produced there FIAT pick-up and had an agreement with Daihatsu