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13 hours ago, Giacomo 96 said:

Ho trovato questo annuncio di una Delta Mk2 dove si vede la famosa ruota di scorta:

https://www.route66auctions.com/it/PRODOTTI/lancia-delta-hf-2-0-turbo-ls-1994-l4385x-1/

Exactly. 2.0 HF LS was designed as 4x4, but for some reason in the last moment 4x4 was cancelled in favor of front wheel drive

Even the rear cross member from Delta HF is shared only between 4x4 cars

Item #6

Just look at the position of the spare wheel in Delta HF 2.0 Turbo and you guys will understand everything

It's really funny to see how people start to critic something that was good just a one decade ago. After 10 year you guys will love this design, along with design of Thesis.

In my case it happened with Alfa 90 or Alfa 6. or Giulietta/Alfetta. 30 years ago I considered their design obsolete, ugly and mediocre. Now when I look at them, I consider them as a masterpieces.

P.S. Nowadays I have the same rejection of Alfa 156/Sportwagon design. Just ugly cars with obsolete design

On 1/21/2026 at 2:12 PM, Il Greco said:

1985 Niva first concept

1985 Niva second concept

1986 Niva Concept (does it look similar to the first HR-V?)

1989 Niva Concept (+BONUS Honda version)

By the guys from the Lada design department, Honda specialists visited Lada back in 90s, when the design of the Niva 2 was in the development stage. To the russians surprise in 1.5 years they saw 1 generation HRV pretty similar to their design.

See the Lada's sketch at the top and the HRV at the bottom

The complete story is by the link, use google translate to translate from Russian to Italian
https://www.kolesa.ru/article/plagiat-shou-pravda-li-chto-honda-hr-v-skopirovana-s-nivy

On 10/22/2025 at 3:02 AM, AleMcGir said:

Just checking the owners manual, what should be done for the track use

1. For use on the track, to obtain the best performance, only refuel with unleaded petrol with octane number not less than 98, containing max. 5% Ethanol (E5), in compliance with the European specification EN228.

2. The aerodynamical configuration was set up in the medium position (front splitter retracted, rear spoiler in the street position)

3. He uses street seat belts, for the track use should be installed 6 points belts

4. He did not preheat brakes (brake nine times from 130 km/h to 30 km/h with deceleration equal to 0.7 g (the longitudinal acceleration value is shown on the instrument panel display by setting RACE mode and selecting the “Performance” page) with 20 second intervals between brake applications; keep the car at a speed comprised between 60 km/h and 100 km/h and do not brake for 240 seconds to allow the brakes to cool down; then brake three times from 200 km/h to 30 km/h with deceleration equal to 1.1 g (ABS operation) with 30 second intervals between brake applications; keep the car at a speed comprised between 60 km/h and 100 km/h and do not brake for 300 seconds to allow the brakes to cool down)

5. He did not warm up tires (with the tyres cold, inflate the 265/30 ZR20 front tyres to the nominal pressure of 2.3 bar and the 285/30 ZR20 rear tyres to the nominal pressure of 2.1 bar, drive 6 km on the track at cruising speed of 100 km/h - 150 km/h, zig-zagging slowly; drive 6 km on the track at high speed of 150 km/h (the slow zigzags are optional in this case and are not necessary in hot summer weather); check the temperature of the tyres: it must be between 50°C and 80°C. If the temperature is higher, the tyre warm-up procedure has not been performed correctly (overheating) and the car will not perform at its best.

6. And then before going on the track he should do following: set the tyre pressures at the nominal values 2.3 bar for 265/30 ZR20 front tyres and 2.1 bar for 285/30 ZR20 rear tyres; do 2 laps of the track at top speed (normally the first or second lap is the best lap) and then 1 lap of the track at a lower speed.

On 10/17/2025 at 3:43 AM, 3volumi3 said:

If the Uno as we know it had remained Lancia, perhaps the Uno would have remained faithful to this prototype presented in 1978.

If Fiat had adopted the 1988 Maggiora body prototype (with Group components), the Multipla would not have been the first car with three individual seats in the front (which however remain two in the renderings).

(Below is a hypothetical version with a FIAT front end)

The Maggiora proposal was based on the Fiat Ducato 4x4 chassis. So the car was HUGE!
3.99x1.98x1.78

Could you render the Maggiora concept near a FIAT Uno or Alfa 33 to show the difference in the sizing?

1963 Alfa Romeo Progetto di Carrozzeria (Centro Stile) by Marco Zanusso

Regarding 939 would be nice to see better quality render based on these drawings

And can you guys create a render oft 939 Sportwagon?

Guys, can I ask you to render SZ Spider?

Could you also do Coupe 10C?

From Centro Stile

From IDEA?

And this central engine Spider V6 please!

7 hours ago, pumadog said:

But the FIRE were made by robots. If I look at the 1.6 FHEV press material, everything looks like handmade in a greasy workshop. 🤡 How much human work is in the 2.0 GME?

 

They have to keep unionized workers and give them work according to work instructions written 30-40 years ago. 

11 hours ago, Mazinga76 said:

 

Copia spudorata, nonché tardiva, della NSU Prinz; ovviamente non la eguagliava nemmeno alla lontana in qualità e affidabilità meccanica. Tuttavia debbo dire che, nonostante tutto, mi suscitava una certa simpatia: soprattutto la prima serie, 968 A, grazie ai convogliatori d'aria sulle fiancate (una sorta di branchie) e ai fanalini posteriori circolari (stile Chevrolet Corvair) che le conferivano comunque un tocco di originalità. La seconda serie, 968 M, che credo debba essere quella del tuo prozio, aveva la coda completamente ridisegnata, più squadrata, senza più le branchie laterali e con dei fanali rettangolari dallo stile più moderno. Il tutto cozzava parecchio col design del resto della vettura, che era rimasto praticamente invariato, ed era ancora tipicamente anni '60.

 

 

ZAZ was the worst car of the Soviet Union, it was a shame to own it. 

Below are the list Soviet motorcycles/cars arranged by the rank of prestige in the eyes of the Soviet society:

 

Riga - 50cc moped with pedals

Karpaty - 50cc moped

Minsk - 125cc

Voshod - 175cc

Izh Planeta (sold with or without sidecar)  - 1 cylinder 350сс

Izh Jupiter (sold with or without sidecar) - 2 cyl 350cc

Izh Planeta Sport (made with some japanese parts) - 1 cylinder 350сс

Ural/Dnepr sold with sidecar only - 2 cyl 4 strokes 650/750cc

Dnepr sold with sidecar only (rear + side car drive)

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Ural/Dnepr without sidecars - available only for motorcycle escort services of the highest government leaders

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SMZ S3D - small car with 2 strokes 1 cylinder 350cc engine from Izh Planeta, available only for people with disabilities

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Available for private owners

Zaz 965

Zaz 966/968

Luaz 969

Moskvich 408

IZH 412/2125

Moskvich 412/2140

Vaz 2101/02

VAZ 21011/2105

VAZ 2103/2106

VAZ 2121 Niva

VAZ 2108

VAZ 2107

VAZ 2109

VAZ 21099

Zim 12

Volga Gaz 24/24-02/24-10

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Available only for government/army

Gaz 69 (sold used only to private owners) 

UAZ 469 (sold used only to private owners)

Gaz 3102

Gaz 13/14 Chaika

ZIL 114/117/4102

 

 

Foreign cars in Soviet Union were available for "elite", as sailors, mafia, movie stars or people with VERY special connections. Such cars could be purchased only used.

However some of my friends parents or friends of friends had Alfa Romeo GT Junior, FIAT Dino, Alfa Romeo 6C 2500. 

10 hours ago, DOssi said:

In this proposal they tried to place the 3 indicators in the middle of the vent (aftermarket type sold on Alibaba) and then, seeing that positioning the gear lever so high (the tilted and positioned gear shift was synonymous with sportiness), they thought it would be a good idea to place the climate controls vertically and to the side...

 

🫣🫣

 

 

In all this confusion....the only thing that stands out the most is the cigarette lighter down there.

(I don't even want to think that the rectangle above the gear shift is the ashtray...!!)

 

 

You might like Acura RSX from the same period

The central vent is at the top of the dashboard probably for the simple reason, they used some fundamental ventilation parts from Tipo 2-3 platform

 

15 hours ago, Indav said:

 

Da che volume/periodico è tratta questa scansione?

Bruno Alfieri, Alfa Romeo 164

@PaoloGTC

 

This is looks like a general layout of the Projetto 156 (AR4 prepared for wind tunnel tests).

There are some new things, at least for me.

1. Independent rear suspension (no more De Dion)

2. Fuel tank and spare wheel in identical to Alfetta position

3. Engine placed in the normal position (not shifted to the center)

 

 

Would be interesting to look underneath of the GTV6 2.5 (119C0001) which was built on the Alfa 6 platform in 1985! I wonder if it has a rear suspension similar to 156.

 

Alfa Romeo, according to the production plans, did not have intent to manufacture Spider/Targa on the Alfetta platform. Moreover Alfa Romeo wanted to build cars in house and stop outsourcing (Bertone and Pininfarina). New Spider supposed to be built on the Alfasud platform. So these two proposals did not relate to real AR plans and as I understand were built by Pininfarina itself.

My two cents to the beautiful design.

 

Digital indexes were used by Abarth and not by Lancia. For instance commercial name of Abarth 037 project was Lancia Rally. In your case Abarth SE 039 was Fiat Uno Turbo 4WD, the project that have never been materialized and was only on the drawings. 

Modern journalists and bloggers quite often do not have any knowledge about it and add 037 or 038 digits to Lancia brand and create their own imaginary names. Seems like you are trying to follow the same trend to show possible development of Lancia racing cars  

 

FYI

SE037 - Lancia Rally

SE038 - Lancia Delta S4 Gruppo B

SE040 - Lancia Delta S4 Evo

SE041 - Lancia ECV1/ECV2

SE042 - Lancia Gruppo S

SE043 - Lancia Delta 4WD Gruppo A

SE044/SE045 - Lancia Delta Integrale 8v/16v Gruppo A

SE047 - Lancia LC2 V10

SE049 - Lancia Delta Integrale 4WS

SE050 - Lancia Delta Integrale Evoluzione

 

35 minutes ago, DOssi said:

 

I work in a car dealer..i ve drove some cars

Flat windshield?  no G-Wagen , but 90' Wrangler. bad car very bad car.

So probably you know the purpose of such weird angle of the windshield. 1. It provides a driver more open space above the head, and allows the driver and passenger to enjoy the nature. Many modern cars and cars back in 90s have a windshield that almost touches the head of the driver. yes, it is more safe but the same time it does not feel like cabriolet. 2. The less inclined windshield, the flat one, gives you much greater visibility, driving comfort and pleasure of driving. 

 

Basically designers, who made this aka "Kubelwagen" solution, knew what they did. 

 

P.S. It is easy to critique something after almost 38 years. This particular design proposal was done in the end of 1987, and later, in July 1988, the final design of GTV/Spider was approved.

 

Do you see the fundamental differences?

 

1 hour ago, DOssi said:

Fari posteriori sdoppiati anche sulla Spider....

 

Parabrezza verticale degno di una vw kubelwagen del terzo reich..!!!

 

 

 

 

By the way, I would like to ask you. it is about your comment. Do you have an open top car? Did you drive a car with a flat almost vertical windshield, like G-Wagen (W460-461) for instance?

 

7 hours ago, nucarote said:

A me ricorda la Lada 2151

 

It was an attempt to develop the rear wheel drive platform. Basically it was a development of FIAT 124 with live rear axle (FIAT 124), the 124 floor and Chevrolet Niva gearbox (still modified FIAT 124). However the engine supposed to be from Lada Kalina (late 70s engine developed together with Porsche/FIAT). Front suspension was McPherson. The car supposed to be built at the same production line and use the same manufacturing tools as Lada 2105 (FIAT 124), still supplied by FIAT

I would consider this car as Mai Nate FIAT

 

4 hours ago, Davialfa said:

Ma non ho capito, le attuali Giulia e Stelvio rimarranno solo Diesel??

 

No, in the whole world they are available with 2.0 and 2.9

2 hours ago, Alain said:

senza scarpe antinfortunistiche, l’ultimo in video ha le Nike…

 

And i was laughing from Trabant!

 

The existence of the configurator means that they did not sell all thirty three cars. However if I remember correctly Imparato claimed that they sold all 33 cars even before production. To be honest I think they sold probably 2-3 cars and do not know what to do now.

3 hours ago, GmG said:

Despite everything, it remains the most beautiful in the segment

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You forgot about american market