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3 ore fa, Dodicicilindri dice:

Non amo Briatore, anzi mi sta discretamente sulle belotas, ma una sua idea molto derisa a me invece piacerebbe: avere 2 gare a griglia invertita. Se il migliore parte ultimo, e il peggiore primo, si avrebbero tanti sorpassi e si limiterebbe anche il fenomeno per cui se hai l'auto migliore (AKA MB) e parti primo, ti rivedono al traguardo.

 

 

E' un'idea stupida perchè anzichè lo spettacolo aumenterebbe la strategia. Sai quanti in qualifica alzerebbero il pedale, si inventerebbero guasti, eccetera pur di non fare il miglior tempo?

C'è ben poco da sapere, è una Classe A che costa 10.000 euro in meno

3 minuti fa, dunnet dice:

Che poi e’ più o meno la stessa cosa no?

Dipende cosa intendono per levantina, se sbracano col 2.2 Diesel hai ragione tu, se fanno prodotto iso Macan (anche come prezzo simile a Ghibli), con entry level quindi alto e potenze di base elevate, no. Poi le sportive restano indispensabili.

Ormai il mercato dei SUV è stra-saturo. C'è di tutto e di più per qualsiasi fascia di prezzo e di cliente, dal Suv  Dacia a quello della Rolls-Royce e pure Lotus (orrore!) sta per lanciare il suo. Non è più come 10 anni fa che bastava mettere un Suv sul mercato e facevi il botto di vendite. Adesso il mercato è talmente frammentato che o esci con qualcosa di estremo (vedi appunto Rolls Royce, Suv da 400.000 euro) oppure è un bagno di sangue. Non a caso Ferrari sta lavorando non su un Suv (parole del management) ma su qualcosa di diverso, io mi aspetto qualcosa che richiama la Parcour di Bertone

Sì, con i fari Alfieri Style sarebbe stata perfetta. 

Bellissima e di somiglianze con Alfa non ne vedo

18 minuti fa, lukka1982 dice:

Forse non hai capito che chi ha parlato di due versioni collabora con FCA. ?

Quindi ci saranno due versioni equipaggiate con il V8, appunto questa Trofeo e la GTS. Imho, questa presentata è una sorta di preview, con consegne contingentate e data a destinarsi.

V8 GTS, full led e aggiornamenti vari per le V6 si vedranno verso fine anno inaugurando il MY2019.

Quattroruote e Omniauto scrivono che quella che doveva chiamarsi GTS si chiama invece Trofeo. E questo mi basta.

Comunque, visto che c'erano, avrebbero potuto apportare una modifica ai fari posteriori vera pecca nel design, aggiungendo una fascia orizzontale che utilizzano un pò tutti.

Non ci sarà alcuna GTS quindi, solo questa Levante Trofeo. Versione Launch Edition per Canada e Nord America (che si contraddistingue per piccoli dettagli e per la targhetta personalizzata) e più avanti versione "normale" in tutti i mercati

L'M5 è molto più bella

Non male per essere un'ammericagna

Sarà svelata alle 20.40 (ora italiana)

Sono d'accordo, i fari posteriori sono il punto debole (debolissimo) di Levante. Servirebbe una progettazione ex novo, altrimenti una soluzione a costo quasi zero sarebbe quella di aggiungere una fascia orizzontale così come stanno facendo un pò tutti da Porsche ad Audi. Una cosa del genere:

Bel colore, finalmente qualcosa di nuovo. La macchina è aggressiva il giusto, in Europa è prevista la RS7 o no?

1 minuto fa, KimKardashian dice:

Questa é concorrente di Stelvio Q, X3 M e GLC 63 AMG, nonche la sorrlla Range Velar SVR con stessa meccanica, la Levante GTS é un segmento piu alto concorrente di X5 M, GLE AMG e Range Sport SVR. 

Jaguar ancora non ha una suv grande in questo segmento ma la faranno (J Pace) derivata dalla prossima Range Sport

Per me non c'è differenza, chi può spendere 100K euro per un SUV ne può spendere anche 130k o 150k. Per cui chi compra Jaguar F-Pace SVR potrebbe comprare Levante GTS ma non lo fa.

Peccato, esce in concomitanza con Maserati Levante GTS a cui toglierà sicuramente clienti

3 minuti fa, stev66 dice:

 

Se vuoi ti cito le 4/3 stelle date a Serie 3 E21 

 

Detto questo anche oggi a 30 anni di distanza, una 75 , così come tutte le derivate dal progetto 116, se in ordine di gomme ed ammortizzatori ti offrono una sicurezza in stabilità e tenuta di strada ( senza pensare a lotte con il coltello tra i denti , basta un po' di bagnato su una rotonda ) quasi all'altezza degli standard odierni. questo non ne fa auto da tutti  giorni, ovvio, ma ne fa auto adatte anche al guidatore medio, grazie al comportamento neutro o quasi in emergenza .

Per capirci se rilasci l'acceleratore in curva con una 75 non hai conseguenze, se lo fai con una 205 probabilmente ti giri ( se ti va bene )

 

Sì ma i trasferimenti di carico non sono mai una cosa buona a livello di stabilità. Non a caso oggi tutte le auto hanno pochissimo rollio. 

Bboni, state bboni. Intendevo dire che 5 stelle alla stabilità fanno sorridere oggi, a 30 anni di distanza.

5 stelle per la stabilità fanno sorridere, l'Alfa 75 si coricava parecchio in curva, tanto rollio e le imbarcate erano piuttosto frequenti

Che peccato, l'avevamo in casa e ce lo siamo fatti sfuggire. Continuo a dire che un'accoppiata Lapo & De Meo farebbe faville in FCA al posto di Marchionne. Ridarebbe slancio ed emozione a un brand grigio

E' in preparazione la versione pepatissima della 508, presentazione verso Ottobre 2018.

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Star du salon de Genève, la Peugeot 508 débutera sa carrière commerciale au mois de septembre. Si elle se déclinera en version sportive GT avec le 1.6 PureTech de 225 ch, le constructeur ne s'arrêtera pas là afin de nourrir ses ambitions haut de gamme et de "rivaliser avec les meilleurs généralistes premiums", dixit Jean-Philippe Imparato, patron de la marque au Lion.

A l'occasion du salon helvétique, Laurent Blanchet (directeur des produits) nous a confirmé que la marque préparait une version plus musclée de la 508 qui sera dévoilée cet automne, probablement au Mondial de l'automobile de Paris. S'il n'a pas révélé quelle était la motorisation retenue, cela ne fait guère de mystère puisque le moteur le plus puissant actuellement disponible dans la banque d'organes du groupe PSA n'est autre que le 1.6 PureTech de 270 ch qui anime déjà la 308 GTi.

 

Cette 508 GTi (ou pourquoi pas Ti, en hommage à son aïeule la 504) recevra quelques modifications esthétiques à l'extérieur et dans l'habitacle. Ainsi que des réglages châssis peaufinés. En revanche, si les designers ont étudié et même essayé la peinture Coupe franche sur la 508 berline durant son développement, cette livrée spécifique ne sera pas proposée dans la gamme. Une information confirmée par Laurent Blanchet qui le justifie par le fait qu'elle ne se prête pas à ce segment de véhicules.

D'autre part, l'usine de Mulhouse où est fabriquée la 508 n'est pas prévue pour la réaliser (lire les secrets de fabrication de la Coupe franche). La version sportive devrait être commercialisée courant 2019. Idem pour la version hybride rechargeable (à l'automne) qui associe le moteur 1.6 PureTech de 180 ch à la boîte automatique EAT8 électrifiée, l'ensemble donnant une puissance de 220 ch.

 

Fonte: http://www.largus.fr/actualite-automobile/nouvelle-peugeot-508-une-version-sportive-de-270-ch-en-preparation-9072391.html

46 minuti fa, leon82 dice:

dove hai trovato questa foto?

 

 

 

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Sì esatto, l'ho presa dall'articolo di oggi su Motor1

Qualcuno sa dirmi a cosa si riferisce questo studio del 1973? L'etichetta dice Alfa Romeo Giardinetta ma dai disegni sembra più una Alfetta allungata piuttosto che una station wagon

51 minuti fa, Gabriz4 dice:

Speriamo abbia un po' più personalità della nuova serie 5 che comprerei solo in allestimento M Sport, magari con un po' più di spazio a bordo dell'attuale veramente piccola

In effetti tutto porta a pensare che il family feeling sarà molto accentuato, un pò come Serie 5 e Serie 7 degli anni 80.

Specifiche Tecniche e ADAS:

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Press Release:

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Volkswagen is launching its new flagship - the third generation Touareg. Equipped with connectivity for the modern era as well as a pioneering fusion of assist, comfort, light and infotainment systems, the allrounder leads the way into the future. The design is also characterised by a special dynamic. With the progressively designed Touareg, Volkswagen offers a model whose “Innovision Cockpit” is already providing the blueprint for the digital interior of tomorrow. The close integration of the assist systems bring a new level of safety and comfort – challenging situations like driving through narrow motorway construction sites are made easier using automatic driving functions if required. In parallel, new running gear systems such as the dynamic roll compensation with electromechanicalally adjustable anti-roll bars provide a level of agility that sets standards in the Touareg segment. As one of the most technically and visually progressive SUVs of its time, the new Volkswagen has the potential to impress drivers of any type of luxury class model with an affinity for technology and design and reach new target groups.

Digitalised cockpit. One of the many technical innovations of the new Touareg generation is the “Innovision Cockpit”. Here the 12.0-inch display of the digital instruments and the 15-inch TFT touchscreen of the top infotainment system “Discover Premium” are merged into a new digital operating, information, communication and entertainment unit that is always on and can be intuitively controlled and fully personalised. The “Innovision Cockpit” has virtually no traditional buttons, switches or controls, but uses them where it makes sense – for intuitive volume control, for example.

Focus on people. Using the “Innovision Cockpit”, the driver can also adjust the assist, driving dynamics and comfort systems to their own taste, thereby personalising their Touareg. This opens up a world where the driver and guests on board no longer adapt to the car but the car adapts to them. The Volkswagen is set up like a smartphone and tailored to your personal needs. This is made possible with a new high level of networked systems and programs – controlled via digital interfaces and the multi-function steering wheel.

Fusion of new assist, driving dynamics and comfort systems. The Touareg launches with the widest range of assist, driving dynamics and comfort systems that has ever been integrated in a Volkswagen. This includes technologies such as “Night Vision” (detects people and animals in the dark using a thermal imaging camera) “Traffic Jam and Roadwork Lane Assist” (partly automated steering and lane departure warning up to 60 km/h, acceleration and braking), “Front Cross Traffic Assist” (responds to cross traffic in front of the Touareg), active all-wheel steering (making the Touareg easy to handle like a compact car), a new roll stabilisation system with electromechanically controlled anti-roll bars, the “IQ.Light – LED Matrix Headlight” (interactive low beam and main beam controlled by means of a camera) and a head-up display projected directly on the windscreen (windshield head-up display). The driver experiences these systems in the new Touareg as one unit. They are simply there - networked via a new central control unit - to operate unobtrusively in the background and to make the trip as safe, comfortable and intuitive as never before.

New dimensions and reduced weight. The third generation Touareg is moderately wider and longer than its predecessor. The new dimensions have a positive effect on the proportions as well as the interior space. An increase in external length leads to a significant increase in the luggage compartment volume, for example, from 697 to 810 litres (with rear seat bench put up). The baggage is protected from prying eyes by an optional electrically retracting and extending luggage compartment cover. Despite the greater length and width, the body manufactured from a mixed construction of aluminium (48 percent) and high-tech steels (52 percent) is 106 kg lighter than its predecessor.

Launch with V6 engines. Volkswagen will initially offer the new Touareg with efficient and superior V6 turbo engines (3.0 litre capacity). An example for Europe: Here there will be two V6 diesel engines with 170 kW / 231 hp⁰¹ and 210 kW / 286 hp⁰² (each EU6 AG) as well as a 250 kW / 340 hp⁰³ V6 petrol engine (EU6 AJ) from autumn. This will be followed by a 4.0 litre V8 turbo diesel engine (EU6 AG) with a power of 310 kW / 421 hp⁰³. This range of engines guarantees high trailer weights. In addition a plug-in hybrid drive with a system power of 270 kW / 367 hp⁰³ is first planned for China. The exact launch date of the Touareg with plug-in hybrid drive in Europe has currently not yet been set. The efficiency of the engines of the new Touareg is shown by the example of the V6 TDI with 286 hp⁰²: This has an NEDC consumption of 6.9 l/100 km. Here the economical Touareg V6 TDI SCR 4MOTION – as for all V6 and V8 models of the series – is designed for maximum trailer weights of 3.5 tonnes.

Always a technology carrier. The first Touareg – presented and launched in 2002 – was already a technology carrier. With the advance of this new top model, Volkswagen has developed into one of the leading global full range providers. In the same way as the social trends of the last one and a half years, the positioning of the Touareg that has sold around one million times has changed: an expressive design was and is dominant for all three generations equally. However while an optimum synthesis of comfort and off-road features was decisive for the first generation, these parameters shifted to the highest level of comfort with the presentation of the second generation (2010). In 2018, this high level of comfort is one of the natural features of the Touareg. Compared with its predecessor, the Touareg's comfort features, such as the completely newly developed massage seats, have been improved even more. The third generation is pursuing new focal points for the future with the digitalised world of the “Innovision Cockpit”, maximum connectivity as well as the fusion of hardware and software of a variety of systems that increasingly enable partly automated driving and significantly increase dynamics – without compromising on comfort.

Towing vehicles for active people. Around 60 percent of all Touareg owners in Germany and 40 percent in Europe also use their Volkswagen as a towing vehicle – remarkably high figures. The SUV is generally also often driven by active people who attach importance to maximum safety, the highest level of seat comfort and intuitive operability. Optimum connectivity and high-end infotainment are also a focal point for owners. Fact: in all the main Touareg markets – China, Western Europe and Russia – an above-average number of drivers have their own companies or are self-employed and have a high affinity for technology. Nevertheless there are demographic differences: in China, Touareg owners are on average 41 years old, in Russia 43 years old and in Western Europe 55 years old. Accordingly, the proportion of Touareg drivers with young children in China (65 percent) and Russia (47 percent) is higher than in Europe (31 percent).

Volkswagen's SUV offensive. The 2018 Touareg is another milestone of the largest product offensive in Volkswagen’s brand history. Here the SUV range is also extensively enhanced. It consists of the new T-Roc, the Tiguan, the new Tiguan Allspace (Europe) or Tiguan L (China), the new Atlas (USA) and the new sister model Teramont (China) as well as the completely redesigned Touareg as the top model of the Volkswagen SUVs. At the other end of the SUV spectrum – below the T-Roc – Volkswagen is also further expanding its range with the small T-Cross⁰⁴. A local, completely zero emission model as part of the SUV offensive has already been decided upon - the I.D. CROZZ⁰⁵ – the first fully electric SUV from Volkswagen. It will be launched in 2020.

 

Notes:
You can find this press release as well as the image motif for the new Touareg on the Internet at volkswagen-media-services.com.Login: Leadingtheway; Password: TouaregWP18
Equipment specifications and technical data of serial models apply to the model range offered in Germany. There may be discrepancies for other countries.
1 = The vehicle is not yet offered for sale and therefore is not subject to Directive 1999/94 EC.
The specified consumption and emission values were obtained according to the legally required measurement procedures. Since 1 September 2017 certain new vehicles are already undergoing type-approval according to the Worldwide Harmonized Light Vehicles Test Procedure, WLTP), a more realistic test procedure for measuring fuel consumption and CO₂ emissions. From 1 September 2018, the WLTP will gradually replace the New European Driving Cycle (NEDC). Due to the more realistic test conditions, the fuel consumption and CO₂ emission values measured according to the WLTP are in many cases higher than those measured according to the NEDC. You can find additional information about the differences between the WLTP and the NEDC at https://www.volkswagen.de/wltp.
Currently, communicating the NEDC values is still mandatory. For new vehicles that are type-approved according to WLTP, the NEDC values are derived from the WLTP values. The additional specification of WLTP values can be given voluntarily until their compulsory use. If NEDC values are specified as ranges, they do not refer to a single individual vehicle and are not part of the offer. They are only used for the purpose of comparison between different vehicle types. Additional equipment and accessories (add-on parts, tyres, etc.) can change relevant vehicle parameters such as weight, rolling resistance and aerodynamics. These equipment and accessories, as well as weather and traffic conditions and the individual vehicle handling affect fuel consumption, power consumption, CO₂ emissions and the driving performance values of a vehicle.

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Touareg e-Hybrid

Press Release e-Hybrid:

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Volkswagen is ramping up its hybrid offensive. The Touareg is now also available to order in two different plug-in hybrid versions. Both variants are characterised by an electric range of up to 47 kilometres (WLTP) and low average consumptions. The SUV range with electric motor and petrol engine starts with the new Touareg eHybrid with system power of 280 kW (381 PS)1)⁰¹. This version is designed for a high level of travel comfort and can be configured in the two equipment lines Atmosphere and Elegance. Price in Germany: from 72,378 euros⁰³. Those who prefer a much sportier setup and sporty equipment to match will choose the Touareg R3. With system power of 340 kW (462 PS), it is the most powerful model in the product line and of the brand. The Touareg R is available in Germany from 84,660 euros⁰³.

 

The two all-wheel-driven plug-in hybrid SUVs both feature a high level of efficiency, the familiar good all-round characteristics of the Touareg, and significantly enhanced standard equipment. This includes a 4-zone automatic air conditioner, the Innovision Cockpit with digital instruments, the Discover Premium top navigation system and a panoramic sliding/tilting roof. The Touareg R is also equipped as standard with the interactive IQ.LIGHT – LED matrix headlights.

 

The Touareg eHybrid and Touareg R have a long electric WLTP range of around 47 kilometres 1)⁰¹⁰² and low average consumptions. These characteristics can be attributed to the perfect interplay between the electric motor and the V6 turbocharged petrol engine. The plug-in hybrid models are ideal for the typical usage patterns of car drivers. In Germany, for example, the Federal Ministry of Transport and Digital Infrastructure (BMVI)⁰⁴ found that 99 percent of all trips in the most populous country of Europe are shorter than 100 kilometres. For these distances, the plug-in hybrid drive with a charged battery (energy content: 14.3 kWh net, 17.9 kWh gross) stands out with particularly low fuel and energy consumption: 2.6 l/100 km and 24.2 kWh/100 km (Touareg eHybrid) and 2.7 l/100 km and 24.4 kWh/100 km (Touareg R) – WLTP values in each case.

The plug-in hybrid drives of both Touareg models also show off their great potential on long journeys because the battery is continuously recharged a little while driving via brake energy recuperation – in other words by recovering energy while braking. This energy is sufficient for the Touareg eHybrid and Touareg R to repeatedly completely switch off the V6 engine when decelerating and on downhill stretches, so that they coast with zero local emissions. The interplay of electric drive motor and six-cylinder engine is perfected with the predictive hybrid strategy of the models. Both Touareg models use GPS and the map data of the navigation system to also achieve extremely economical consumption values on medium and long distances. For this, the SUVs integrate the route data in the hybrid control. The Touareg eHybrid and Touareg R thus permit combined ranges of up to 810 1)⁰¹⁰² kilometres.

In spite of their outstanding efficiency, the new plug-in hybrid models are still specialists for demanding tasks – like all Touareg models. Both the Touareg eHybrid and Touareg R are designed for a maximum trailer weight of 3.5 tonnes, which is exceptionally high for hybrid models (also possible for all-electric driving). With this versatility – covering the spectrum from true off-road vehicle through to luxury-class touring car that can be used temporarily as a zero emission vehicle – the new Touareg plug-in hybrid models have a special place among large SUVs.

The Touareg is one of the world’s most modern vehicles in its class. With Travel Assist, for example, it is the first Volkswagen that is capable of assisted driving up to a speed 250 km/h within the system limits. The Touareg does not just react to vehicles driving ahead, but also to speed restrictions and the course of the road (bends, roundabouts, junctions etc.). In addition, the Touareg is also the first Volkswagen that can be automatically driven in and out of a parking space with the new Park Assist with remote control using a smartphone app. This is a particularly attractive feature for the new Touareg eHybrid and Touareg R because Park Assist with remote control works not only with the V6 petrol engine, but also in the all-electric E-MODE. The same applies to the familiar Trailer Assist function, which makes reversing with a trailer significantly easier.

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