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They have to reduce CO2 every year already, not just stop ICE in 2035.

Olivier Francois is always full of words, but doesn't deliver. 10 months after the Fiat "no grey" campaign I can still configure the 500 only in white, black, (red) and rosé gold in Germany. Only one strong color.

Vor 3 Stunden schrieb GmG:

Promo-Preis von 29'000€ (anstels 29'900€) gegenüber 38'000€ von LBX (die Promo ist bei 34'000€ vorbei, aber zu viele).

Sicherlich ist der LBX besser verarbeitet und gemacht, aber das Preisdelta ist wichtig, derzeit 9'000€.

Hier sind die beiden in der Grundaufführung und in der enthaltenen Farbe:

 

Ich persönlich würde auf den Lancia Ypsilon gehen, der in der Top-LX-Ausstattung, mit allen Optionen und ganz schwarz, für 28'500 € in Promo ist (aber mit 100 PS statt 136 der vorherigen)

It's a bit mean to compare the configurator rendering with press pictures. 😅 Let the Junior arrive on the market for a few months and there will be much higher promos. Like always.

The door panels are THE weak spot of the Junior. I hope the Alfa people hear the critics and plan a fast upgrade for that. An additional color choice for the fabric parts wouldn't hurt either. Personally I'd also prefer the glossy interior plastics in matte or aluminium style. 

I prefer the yellow or blue interior from Geneva. When will the R5 go on sale finally? It's been teased for years now.

No glimpse of retro design left. But at least it looks better than the Cooper E. That press release is full of bullshit bingo. Long gone are the times of the "Is It Love?" campaign.

This is the direct competitor to the Alfa Junior Elettrica and it's technially worse on paper. Only element that's better are the padded door panels front and rear. And most likely more personalisation options.

Vor 2 Stunden schreibt __P:

Bis heute scheine ich mich nicht daran zu erinnern, dass sie planen, mit Stelvio und Giulia über den Job1 der neuen Modelle hinauszukommen.

There's a video with Imparato (Junior presentation) where he says that the Stelvio Q will live on beside the new generation until the electric Q is ready.

If you include the Sportwagons, you should also include the Stelvio secondo me. Same segment, shifted preferences.

BEV owners normally charge at home or work, where the cable is attached to the station. But when on tour, it's better to reach the trunk than the box below the luggage.

1 ora fa, Beckervdo scrive:

naaa. Mesonero sagte nur, ich habe keine Hand hineingelegt.

Aber es ist nicht so, dass er es missteint. Denn sowohl seine Modelle sind schon schön als auch gezeichnet.

I don't think he ever said so. I expect the Scudetto to become a glass shield for the electric-only models. Which makes a lot of sense.

Mesonero about Milano, uh, Junior and the upcoming Alfas:

Sorry, but all this drama is so much Cliché of Italians! 😆

Anyway, I don't think this story will hurt the model. But they have to adapt all the marketing which is based on the city of Milano. On the car itself, I thought they might change the scripts of the upper versions to Speciale and Veloce anyway.

Personally I would have called it Mito, with minor T. They could build a longer model history out of it. I like the Milano Junior more and more! ☺️

Vor 2 Stunden schrieb nucarote:

Das eigentliche Problem der CMPine secondo me ist der Platz in den Rücksitzen, und wenn sie nicht zumindest den verstellbaren Rücksitz implementiert haben, ist Mailand meiner Meinung nach auch im Vergleich zu den anderen Klonen auf derselben Plattform in dieser Hinsicht keine Ausnahme.

I saw 2 NL reviews on Youtube where the tall guys (1,85 and 186 cm) could sit well behind their own drivers position, standard seats. Are we sure that the seat spacing is the same for all CMP SUVs? Much more room than in the Mito.

Vor 41 Minuten schrieb alando:

Auf der Website gibt es auch eine Basis-Hybrid-Version, ich denke eine, die bei 29900 beginnt, mit 17-Kreisen, die ab Juni bestellt werden können. Erkennt jemand die Ausraugungen? Vielleicht arbeitet er bei einem Alfa-Händler. Einmal war Tonale aus allem und mehr herausgekommen. Außerdem spricht man in der Sonderversion von Paletten am Steuer, die aber noch nirgendwo auf dem Foto zu sehen sind.

 

The standard LEDs (without matrix) seem to have only the upper 3 DRLs.

Judging from the configurator, I like only the 18" 5 hole and the 20" 4 hole wheels. Turbina and the flower style 18" look awkward. Maybe the 18" 3 hole is ok in real life.

The Scudetto of the Hungarian MHEV version was open …

Vor 24 Minuten schrieb Gengis26:

Ich denke, der Unterschied liegt darin, dass das Leckbild im Vergleich zur Außenseite einrückt zu sein scheint.

 

I think it's at the outer edge at the top and indented at the bottom. The mesh behind it is fine.

I'll judge later when I see it from different angles or in motion. But for sure it's a hefty change of design direction after a long evolutionary phase. They didn't go the "safe" way with this, which would have been a scaled down Tonale.

I think so. Media outlets will publish (set to public) their material right after the official presentation tomorrow.  It's all prepared already. The photo looks accurate.

I made the screenshot. You can see the image for a little moment when reloading the page.