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I think It's rather a 500 5-door coming. All versions will happen on the same platform obviously. But there's no need to hurry with the current generation. It just needs the electric LFP battery update with a price drop ASAP. And a stronger hybrid wouldn't hurt. The design is still strong, clean and fresh.
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It's easy to blame Manley who took over in 2018, but in reality the development of additional models must have been stopped much earlier. The Alfa Giorgio range was supposed to be more or less complete in 2018 to sell 400k cars. I follow Alfa's path since around 2000 and their relaunch plans got torpedoed again and again by lack of money, long term strategy and continuity.
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I think the wide c-pillar is because of cost savings: both versions share the doors with windows. And as the slow engine rollout of Grande Panda must have been at least in part engine and gearbox production related, this should get out faster. If the factory can handle it. Wonder if they’ll add EU production later to get EU benefits.
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Somehow this was designed before the Polo and it shows. "Back to classic VW" not applied yet. And a very non-dynamic pensioner mover, more like Golf Plus than Tiguan.
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Cappellano is talking about both C Alfas. But the wording regarding Melfi is open for interpretation secondo me. But as there's a political meeting next week, things should be clearer. The lines between hatchback/crossover and crossover/SUV are very blurry. Alfa Junior was introduced as a SUV while it has the same height as hatchbacks (R5, ID.Polo). Panda is called a hatchback while it's tall and riding high. Whatever the planned models for Pomigliano were, it was always unrealistic to expect the Astra to go south. I don't know any proper indication for that. Opel needs German presence and production to fulfil it's role. Rüsselheim needs product. And Italy isn't cheap either.
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The Astra was never planned to be made in Italy. The Pomigliano model was the Manta (on hold now) or C-crossover. The crossover is now made in Spain with Leapmotor. I thought the Alfa hatchback on STLA One will also be produced in Melfi. This article seems to support that: Agenzia NovaCappellano (Stellantis): "Melfi will produce one addition...Cappellano (Stellantis): "Melfi will have the production of one additional Alfa Romeo compared to the Italian Plan" Read more on Agenzia Nova
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Who says that STLA Large ist scrapped? I don't know about any other indication than the back and forth with Alfa and Maserati. That doesn't mean anything about American models and even for the Italian brands the outcome seems open still. The (smaller?) Dodge "Copperhead" won't have the hard points of the Charger. But what does that mean? Dodge never used Giorgio in contrast to the original plan because it's expensive. In reality the Maserati projects (Quattroporte and Levante) on Giorgio Evo got scrapped some years ago and they can't offer their core models for many years for that reason. They allegedly moved to STLA Large and now back to Giorgio. It's all very confusing. Yes, the Grand Cherokee seems to sit on an Giorgio-infused platform of the previous generation.
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No new info in this article, just guessing. I don't know what Capellano said exactly, but that the Euro hybrid isn't the same as the American Hybrid could also mean that the transmission and electric parts are different, but still based on the 1.6 EP. But as the American FHEV generates over 200 hp a smaller engine is likely. Depending on the needed speed of emission reduction they should bring both 1.2 FHEV for B/C segments and 1.6 for C/D segments.
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Yes, the presentation slides look like hastily cobbled together in parts. Lousy after so many months of preparation. The model overview is meant to show only range additions in the second row. So C-hatchback would have been correct instead of C-SUV. As Tonale is already in the top row.
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Some appear to have memory of a mayfly here. 😆 This is the official roadmap, made clear on May 25, AFTER the Fastlane event: https://www.media.stellantis.com/it-it/alfa-romeo/press/dichiarazione-di-un-portavoce-di-stellantis
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Are you sure the boxy version is shorter? In contrast to Frontera and C3 Aircross the FIATs are marketed as C-segment vehicles, not B. From the press release: FIAT unveils the first official image of Grizzly and Grizzly Fastback, two new models designed to expand the brand’s global line-up and reinforce its presence in the C-segment. Within a compact footprint of under 4.5 meters, they set a new benchmark in practicality, offering exceptional interior space and a best-in-class trunk capacity — a key element of their positioning. Grande Panda is the boxy B-segment crossover already, with 600 as the elegant alternative.
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"Not just rebadging": Stellantis pledges distinct brands despite shared techFuture models from the various brands that make up the Stellantis empire will be more differentiated despite the increasing use of common platforms and technology, according to the firm’s European boss. Autocar"Not just rebadging": How Stellantis plans to make its br...Giant firm will refocus on four key 'global' brands, yet promises more individualism for the other 10 it owns
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Please Please elaborate what's wrong with the platform. I only see it's not as versatile (for example for low cars) as it was intended to be. Missing engine options are not the platforms fault. And any platform is meant to develop further over time. Like CMP Gen2 getting multilink and 4xe.
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How do you know about Compass? Yesterday you were only speculating. What is STLA? The cars on STLA Medium have to get updated to stay competitive. Even under Tavares cars got updated with new engines, transmissions, infotainment, e-tech, batteries etc during their lifespan. BTW in contrast to many former FCA models … Is there any proof or trustworthy source about connections between STLA Small/One and CMP? If so, how much? The battery as a structural part of the construction is a huge difference already …
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While I agree that STLA One will replace STLA Medium in the long term, M doesn't have to die in it's current form. There should be some evolution ahead for launches until 2027/2028 and later MCAs. That new Alfa Tonale comes on Medium and "new Giulietta" on One indicates that the Tonale project is pretty far along and launching rather soon. I hope Tonale launches with 1.6 HEV. Might also have faster charging, with or without 800V. While the STLA One variant for multi-energy, C segment SUVs or industrial installation (in the same plant) takes some time. Remember that it starts with B segment BEV only in 2027.
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Wasn't there also claims that the C hatch will be sold in the US? Where was that said?
