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@Franky...

You have right.

It seems that most people here don't understand advantage of a P2 hybrid system. Some will be pleasantly surprised.

My only disappointment is with power level. The first version which was planned was with 190 HP. Now there is no word of it.   

1 hour ago, __P said:

L’unica cosa che non c’hai visto son gli interni della Quattroporte 😅

 

 

Ad ogni modo, la leva del cambio non c’è, nella Grecale ovviamente.

Ed un appunto che farei, lo farei al fregio della pelle della fascia centrale della plancia che ricorda un po’ i tattoo tribali di fine anni ‘90!

 

Spero ci sarà la possibilità di poter scegliere la pelletessuta Zegna come per Quattroporte, Ghibli e Levante.

 

 

Yes, inspired by QP. But I also see Grand Cherokee WL there.

I prefer QP interior design over Ghible and Levante.

9 hours ago, VuOtto said:

 

Dato che la Sonus è di Vicenza.......da Veneto quale sono sono orgoglioso che finalmente le case italiane guardino a prodotti nazionali, piuttosto che a (comunque ottimi) B&O, HK, Bose et similia.

It seems that Harman units in FCA products had some very bad review and FCA did their best to improve the situation.

So they switched from Harman to McIntosh Group.

This means that Jeep is now using McIntosh branded sound systems with Maserati using Sonus Faber. 

59 minutes ago, Vadocomeundiavolo said:

Se un costruttore dichiara il 20% in meno e un altro il 10% in meno ti fai un idea sbagliata con un 50% di differenza sul dichiarato.

Still Stlvio petrol or diesel weighs from 150 to 250 kg less than direct competitors.

Here we talk about car which has size of Porsche Cayenne with weight of Audi Q5.

55 minutes ago, Beckervdo said:

Soft Output , High Output.
Praticamente una versione low-power e turbo tutta manetta

Un po' come accadeva con Saab con i 2.0 litri turbo LPT e HPT (Low Pressure Turbo, High Pressure Turbo)

No.

SO = Standard Output

Interesting to see... Ex FCA engineering supremacy. Car which has E segment car size with D segment weight, fuel consumption and performance.

Even for Alfa Romeo E-segment SUV there is a talk about 3 row of seating.

Jeep Grand Wagoneer

1. GME T6 SO
2. GME T6 HO
3. GME T6 PHEV

On 11/12/2021 at 12:21 PM, MotorPassion said:

Scrivo qui trattandosi comunque di una mini notizia su un modello dell'orbita Stellantis.

 

In Brasile sono in fase di test le Peugeot 208 con i motori 1.3 Firefly inoltre sempre per il mercato brasiliano è prevista una ulteriore motorizzazione 1.0 Turbo Flex T200 della Fiat Pulse.

https://www.autossegredos.com.br/segredos/flagra-peugeot-208-1-3-firefly-ja-roda-em-teste-hatch-tambem-tera-1-0-turbo-flex/

https://www.autossegredos.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/flagra-peugeot-208-1-3-firefly-5.jpg

Hornet 5920 (GG)

Tonale 9650 (GC)

On 11/10/2021 at 4:00 PM, __P said:

 

Non so se da subito saranno disponibili tutti i powerstep.

Do you know anything about power levels?

Interesting that at the time first version to go on the market was planned to have 190 HP. Today there is no word about it.

Not to mention that this engine is ready to go well above 200 HP.

But to go over 200 HP IMO it should have more than 320 Nm. AFAIK Getrag DCT is limited to 320 Nm. Of course in the past Getrag had plans to offer DCT suitable for engines with more torque.

19 minutes ago, 4200blu said:

 

The new Tonale will be built on ... Compact Wide underpinnings.

 

 Yeah, right.

Mah, only Aprica sounds good to me.

October 11, 2021 03:32 PM
Stellantis will turn Turin factory into hub for EVs, Maserati cars
Mirafiori plant will be center for electrification

MILAN -- Stellantis plans to retool its factory in Turin, Italy, into an electric-vehicle hub, transferring production of two Maserati models to the Mirafiori plant.

The move is intended to increase efficiency and safeguard jobs as the automaker shifts to selling more electric vehicles.

Stellantis will assign Mirafiori a new electrified platform to build Maserati sedans between 2022 and 2024, making the factory, where the automaker already produces the Fiat New 500 battery-electric minicar, the group's center for electrification in Italy.

The Mirafiori factory is the historic center of Fiat, employing some 50,000 workers in its heyday in the 1970s when it used to produce more than 600,000 cars a year.

The plant currently builds the Maserati Levante SUV as well as the Fiat New 500.

Italian newspaper La Repubblica on Saturday reported that Stellantis could increase production of the combustion-engine Fiat 500 at Mirafiori by moving some volumes there from Tychy, Poland.

At Mirafiori, Stellantis will have one manufacturing process to make combustion engines, hybrids, and electric powertrains.

Maserati EV platform

Stellantis, which was formed from the merger of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and PSA Group earlier this year, will build the Maserati Ghibli and Quattroporte sedans at Mirafiori, shifting from the nearby site of Grugliasco.

One of the first actions will be to create a new electrified platform specific for Maserati, Stellantis said.

"Stellantis is working with determination and alacrity to anticipate and prepare for the energy transition of all its Italian industrial sites," the company said in a statement Monday.

The goal is to improve performance at the plants "to give this country a strategic role among the group’s main domestic European markets," Stellantis said.

Future production of the New 500 is also confirmed in Turin, the automaker said, after presenting its plan in Rome to the industry and labor ministers and unions.

No job losses

All 1,100 workers and functions in Grugliasco will move to Mirafiori by 2024 with no overall impact on jobs in the area, Stellantis said without giving details about what happens to the Grugliasco site after that date. Assembly operations will move immediately.

Grugliasco is 4 km (2.5 miles) from Mirafiori. Its workers have often moved between the two sites based on production needs.

The decision marks the end of full car manufacturing at the Grugliasco plant less than a decade after it started production of Maserati cars.

Stellantis said it will allocate more electrification-related activities to Mirafiori.

Italy overhaul

Stellantis' production in Italy has been under scrutiny for costing more than elsewhere in Europe.

Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares told Italian unions in February that production costs at Fiat's factories in Italy were up to four times more than at PSA's plants in France or Spain for a similar model, mainly because of lower-than-expected sales rather than high labor costs.

In June, the automaker decided to reorganize output at the Melfi plant in southern Italy, its largest facility in the country, on a single enhanced line that will merge two existing ones with unchanged capacity. It will build four medium-segment electric vehicles, for different brands, starting in 2024.

The company said in July it would build one of its three European battery factories in Italy, at the Termoli site, 300 km east of Rome. The plant currently makes internal combustion engines.

Italy's Industry Minister Giancarlo Giorgetti said in a statement that there was an ongoing "huge effort" to support the Termoli gigafactory initiative with public funds.

Italy's government has sought assurances from Stellantis that Italy will remain one of the main countries where it builds cars as the EV shift jeopardizes thousands of manufacturing jobs.

Stellantis last month finalized plans for Daimler to join its European battery venture.

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/stellantis-will-turn-turin-factory-hub-evs-maserati-cars

9 minutes ago, davos said:

Onestamente questa scelta non l'ho mica capita. Le phev stanno vendendo benissimo e sono anche diminuite come costi.Questa soluzione col cambio ZF dovrebbe essere ancora meno costosa perché il motore elettrico è inserito nel cambio. Con l'inasprimento della normativa sulle emissioni le phev in Europa ma anche in Usa saranno l'unica alternativa per anni a chi non vuole o può passare all'elettrico.

Scusa ma perché crysler? È un cambio che userà jeep e mi pare lo userà anche BMW

Chrysler as Chrysler LLC, FCA US.

They produce some of ZF 8HP transmissions called 845RE and 850RE. They are not used in Alfa Romeo and Maserati products which have ZF sourced transmissions like ZF 8HP50.

Even FCA US products are using ZF sourced transmissions for Hemi engines.

Alfa or Maserati never used Chrysler built ZF 8HP.

From what I can remember 1.6 diesel will have higher CO2 emission than 1.5 MHEV. 

24 minutes ago, __P said:

In pratica da new Giulietta in poi i nuovi lanci saranno solo BEV, mentre nel 2030 anche le auto che sono state presentate con dei termici continueranno solo come BEV.

I would not exclude further plan changes.

53 minutes ago, iDrive said:

A Giulia e Stelvio Ibride non ci credo...

Bene il 2.9 MHEV, spero anche nel 2.0.

 

Le Q dovrebbero essere solo BEV dal Kid in poi.

 

E Imparato ha detto chiaramente che dal 2027 Alfa sara solo BEV, non che i nuovo modelli saranno BEV, ma tutta la gamma, e non credo che faranno Giulia e Stelvio Ibride per solo 1 o 2 anni.

 

Poi l'E-SUV 7 posti di famiglia Alfa Romeo, ma chi se lo prende?

No. New models will be BEV. The whole range will be BEV after 2030.

Tonale's unveiling event is or was planned for this year. I don't know if anything has changed. This plan is around 2 months old. 

There are industries which are in need of old generation FABs. This is nothing new or strange.

7 hours ago, davos said:

Comunque interessante che i paragoni di questa auto vengano fatti con la triade e range rover. Credo che questa dica tutto sulla bontà del progetto. In realtà vedremo come la prezzeranno in Europa ma in Usa la GC avrà dei prezzi molto inferiori alle tedesche e a range rover. Si colla proprio in una posizione diversa, i concorrenti sono Ford Gm e Toyota. Magari nelle versioni più accessoriate potrà lambire il premium ma non è il suo obbiettivo principale. Tra parentesi io mi prendo questa al volo prima delle tedesche o di un Discovery.

I repeat it once more. Grand Cherokee was the most sold unibody SUV more expensive than $50k. That's premium market territory.

Let's say that the Grand Cherokee goes from Ford to Lincoln. It covers all markets.

14 hours ago, savio.79 said:

a proposito, nel configuratore cliccando sulla voce sospensioni, è scritto che le sospensioni anteriori sono MacPherson. Ma cosa si sono fumati? e questo non è un bug della nuova arrivata, è scritto anche a proposito della versione lunga che ha debuttato a gennaio!

It's technically impossible to have an air suspension and MacPherson combination. 

Tonale II is planned for 2028 or 2029 with the last FCA Tonale being produced in 2028 or even 2029.

Tonale II is planned for Melfi.