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@Beckervdo

Sorry. Actually Pentastar has different numbers for cylinder. Some engine manufacturers just count cylinder numbers differently and that's what Chrysler did with the Pentastar. It can happen with Vee engines.

@Beckervdo

Isn't it 1-4-2-5-3-6 firing order for V6 60°?

@Beckervdo

But already for electric supercharger you need 48V tech i.e. mild hybrid wether it's a BSG driven or P2.5 system.

EU7 is not related to a CO2 emissions.

@Osv

I think that website you linked it is under the pay wall and from what I know the author has started to write for another site which is of course under the pay wall.

3 hours ago, Beckervdo said:

Non c'è motivo. Rispetta la norma Euro7 senza ibridazione.

Electrification to overcome a lag for a high boost versions or to at least slightly improve fuel economy is always more than welcome.

500X? Wasn't 500X II planned as a proper fully fledged C segment SuV?

Guys. PSA 1.2 still has an extremely poor image and there is no chain which will fix it.

IMO it's foolish to launch new Tonale on STLA M. It should be on STLA One from a get go.

Tonale I? From what I one 3 different technical solutions were under consideration, 2 on Small Wide and Giorgio.

Audi... BMW on their C segment cars have an independent rear suspension. And that's it.

For those who are mentioning STLA One. It's a multi energy platform for a C segment cars and low born / elongated D segment cars. It's not for a proper D segment car platform and it's a FWD based.

STLA Large LP3 which was fortunately cancel was born as BEV only and thanks God it's cancelled.

Then we got back to root of problem in my opinion.

Next to a cost cutting ex PSA ehm STLA had a very bad product planning. Their delusions are ithwith small engines, BEV only or BEV first car launches has a long effect on a company. A very bad one.

@cruzmaltino

I have my doubts that Brasil will see STLA M products. Doesn't make sense. My money is on STLA One.

If the new "Giulietta" is a hatchback then this one is also a hatchback.

The truth is. Both are crossovers.

Coop... Whatever should have an all new V8.

Mu biggest concern is interior width. Every CMO and every smart car suffers from narrowness at the shoulder height. Renault did it much better with CMF-B based products.

And I see Dacia's proportions as better. It's a more planted car. JMO

https://www.media.stellantis.com/em-en/corporate/press/stellantis-will-invest-more-than-1-billion-in-france-to-produce-three-new-peugeot-models-in-mulhouse

Hmh... All STLA electric cars suffer from inefficiency. It's not just a a software, it's also due to inventers and electric motors which technologically lags behind competitors and unfortunately it's by much.

But STLA One for example AFAIK is already under development with mechanical AWD and Hurricane 4 which is something what's lacking on STLA M.

What a joke of a platform. Good luck with the new Tonale especially in US.

6 hours ago, cruzmaltino said:

Potresti avere ragione!

La Compass brasiliana arriverà solo nel 2028, e lo stesso vale per quella americana. È possibile che abbiano fatto qualcosa di più che semplicemente provare un 4x4 sulla piattaforma STLA Medium e abbiano deciso di trasferire direttamente il design dell'attuale Compass sulla piattaforma STLA ONE.

 

In questo modo, anche i nuovi Commander, Renegade, Toro e Rampage, che arriveranno in seguito, saranno basati sulla piattaforma STLA ONE.

 

Renault ha già assemblato la Duster su diverse piattaforme.

 

La piattaforma STLA ONE sarebbe in grado di supportare il Toro e il Rampage (un rivale del Maverick)?

I know that the next gen Jeep Compass for North America will be on STLA One. That's certainty.

The same for the European Jeep Renegade.

All other is pure speculation based on some indication.

2 hours ago, pumadog said:

While I agree that STLA One will replace STLA Medium in the long term, M doesn't have to die in it's current form. There should be some evolution ahead for launches until 2027/2028 and later MCAs.

That new Alfa Tonale comes on Medium and "new Giulietta" on One indicates that the Tonale project is pretty far along and launching rather soon. I hope Tonale launches with 1.6 HEV. Might also have faster charging, with or without 800V.

While the STLA One variant for multi-energy, C segment SUVs or industrial installation (in the same plant) takes some time. Remember that it starts with B segment BEV only in 2027.

STLA most likely will not be upgraded. Why would it be?

And that's the potential problem for any car on it especially for North American market including next generation Tonale.

2.0 turbo engine and mechanical AWD are still a must there especially for a premium product which Alfa still is.

33 minutes ago, GmG said:

Comunque, da possessore di Giulietta, spero che la nuova Giulietta su STLA One mantenga il multilink dietro e che non sia un ricarrozzamento della futura 308, ma che mantenga una sua identità.

AFAIK "Giulietta" or Alfa C-SUV could be related to a future Peugeot C-SUV slotted below 3008.

Peugeot Low C segment models will be a replacement for 308 and 308 SW. Such model isn't planned planned for Alfa Romeo.

I would argue that such model is a perfect for for Fiat's lineup to directly replace Fiat Tipo and to be produced by Tofas.

I believe that most here think that it would be convenient to release Tonale II on STLA One platform instead of STLA M.

On 5/27/2026 at 12:14 PM, Osv said:

Esattamente, stesso principio.

I'm pretty much sure that STLA One will not replace STLA L.

But STLA M is a total disaster. I don't understand why would they even launch any future product base on it, even for Europe.

Yes, North America will get STLA One based Jeep Compass.

I was talking about STLA M in general.

Both STLA and Renault have one huge problem with the current generation of cars. Their B segment and low cost cars are selling well but there's a bloodbath with a C segment. And guess what? Both have a very bad choice of ICE engines. On the other hand VW with Tiguan and T-Roc holds #3 and #4 for European car sales.

Yes, Germans in general prefer larger cars but IMO something is rotten with STLA strategy. Let's not forget that 3008 II had good sales numbers.

@cruzmaltino

How about North American Jeep Compass? Will it switch to STLA One?

Rumor says that the new Dodge GLH and Chrysler Airflow will be produced at Belvidere. Those two are based on STLA One. Will Jeep Compass joined the?

Besides STLA M doesn't offer a mechanical AWD which is very important for US marker but also a unique selling point for Jeep brand in South America.

We know that the Jeep Renegade should be based on STLA One in Europe and is slated to be one of the first four STLA One based cars in Europe.

Will Brazil keep Small Wide for Jeep Renegade, Compass and Commander or will they switch to STLA One?

Mix of STLA One and STLA M at the same factory doesn't sound viable to me.

10 hours ago, Jack.Torrance said:

Dipende cosa si cerca.
La 3008 col 145cv (e 230Nm di coppia), fa lo 0-100 in 10.2 secondi, stesso dato della Grandland, mentre la 5008 impiega 11.3 secondi.

Non ci fai gli spari ai semafori ne le gare clandestine ma per il resto si sposta più che dignitosamente.
Ovvio che il suo motore sarebbe un bel 2.0 ma credo che col 1.6 risulterà bella vivace.

It has 136 HP... And based on many reviews I've seen it struggles on higher speeds not just at the performance level but also with a fuel economy.

There's a reason why direct competitors have 1.5 and 2.0 4 cylinder petrol engine and also a 2.0 diesel engine.

Stellantis has a modern 1.5 petrol engine with 160 HP sitting unused.

Stellantis has a 2.2 diesel.

Stellantis has GME T4 M, GME T4 D and GME T4 Evo waiting to be used.

CO2 penalty? Just offer what customers want and what it takes to stay relevant and competitive. Rules and laws are here to change.

STLA L and STLA F should still play a large part of the future North American plans.

Let's not forget that even a Jeep Recon although it's based on STLA L LP2 which is a FWD platform still has a front double wishbone suspension which is something I would expect on STLA One.

17 minutes ago, nucarote said:

Il tempo di produrre più eDCT per tutto il gruppozzo secondo me arriverà anche la 1.6 PHEV.

You know... There are different vendors like for example Magna with a proper DCT and so on and on

But a nice 2.2 liter diesel will be the most desired engine choice for such a bug car.

I said it numerous times. Just look at the Germans and their engine options.

Classic PSA.

Differentiation is almost non existent.

Some body panels and always doors but also interior bits must be shared across the board.

But engine choice is ridiculous for this class size and especially for premium products.

Are they even benchmarking against non French competitors?