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Being based on Chinese tech most likely means stop of sales in US.

Width at the shoulder height is a major drawback of every CMP based and related cars. They're the worst in class.

18 hours ago, whitebyzantine53 said:

Non chiedetemi come mi sia ritrovato questo annuncio con una semplice ricerca per gli aggiornamenti OTA del sistema IVI utilizzato sulla gamma attuale Stellantis.

Ad ogni modo, pare che i prossimi sistemi infotainment saranno, finalmente, basati su Android Automotive.

AFAIK IVI is already based on Android Automotive as is Uconnect 5 but none of them is running full Google services.

But Uconnect in my opinion has far better UI and UX and run on more powerful hardware.

@Graziano68dt

Wrong platform and models for Melfi. God wouldn't help them.

One could not come sooner but even it could be ruined by wrong powertrain strategy which I'm pretty much sure will happen in Europe.

Federalization? For what? How would it improve STLA M to be more attractive for US?

Let's not forget that vast majority of this segment in US still has 2.0 turbo engine and mechanical AWD.

I also must add that current generation Tonale has started to have much more favourable reviews since it has 2.0 turbo Q4 in the US. It tells something.

Duster is considered a B segment SUV across the Europe and this is Duster's competitor and thus it's a B segment SUV. Low cost large B segment SUV. Although we may debate how affordable this will be.

After all Dacia has Bigger for C segment which is I think sold as Renault Boreal in Turkey.

Speaking about Turkey. Dacia will build Striker there and I would not discard that they wil sell Renault or Dacia itself there.

And now let's look at the sad part of the story.

OF wants to convince us that this is a Tipo replacement. Not it isn't.

He wilalso say that Grizzly will with a single model take on Duster, Bigster and Striker. No, it won't.

13 hours ago, Osv said:

No, GLH ed Airflow saranno mid-size (quindi l’equivalente del nostro Seg.D).

It will be called Hornet. GLH may be a version of it. So it should remain a compact. More or less.

For sure US will not get STLA M based Compass but STLA One based is in the plans.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/stellantis/2026/08/14/stellantis-eyes-canadian-plant-sale-delays-belvidere-plant-production/91306570007/

The news of the potential sale in Brampton comes as Stellantis confirmed it will take another year to retool the Belvidere Assembly plant to build the Jeep Cherokee and later, the Jeep Compass, in the United States.

Current generation Compass or any STLA Medium based car is just badly designed and engineered for US market.

What's the difference in comparison to this:

https://www.borgwarner.com/docs/default-source/default-document-library/2017_whitepaper_ebooster_en.pdf?sfvrsn=7a0bcd3c_24

This engine is available since MY26 in US. So nothing new.

The major sin is to push with STLA Medium when STLA One is just around the corner.

Narrowness of this particular platform at the shoulder height, poor interior design with small and poor infotainment for modern standards. Lack of 4 cylinder engines. What could go wrong?

Exterior is nicely designed but technically it lacks in some departments.

In general for all Stellantis products, and this one included, they're not planning product to be attractive across the whole Europe. It always seems that they only look at the French market and French taxation system and that's it.

Hahahaha. Still no technical data. What a...

It's way too narrow.

@Beckervdo

Sorry. Actually Pentastar has different numbers for cylinder. Some engine manufacturers just count cylinder numbers differently and that's what Chrysler did with the Pentastar. It can happen with Vee engines.

@Beckervdo

Isn't it 1-4-2-5-3-6 firing order for V6 60°?

@Beckervdo

But already for electric supercharger you need 48V tech i.e. mild hybrid wether it's a BSG driven or P2.5 system.

EU7 is not related to a CO2 emissions.

@Osv

I think that website you linked it is under the pay wall and from what I know the author has started to write for another site which is of course under the pay wall.

3 hours ago, Beckervdo said:

Non c'è motivo. Rispetta la norma Euro7 senza ibridazione.

Electrification to overcome a lag for a high boost versions or to at least slightly improve fuel economy is always more than welcome.

500X? Wasn't 500X II planned as a proper fully fledged C segment SuV?

Guys. PSA 1.2 still has an extremely poor image and there is no chain which will fix it.

IMO it's foolish to launch new Tonale on STLA M. It should be on STLA One from a get go.

Tonale I? From what I one 3 different technical solutions were under consideration, 2 on Small Wide and Giorgio.

Audi... BMW on their C segment cars have an independent rear suspension. And that's it.

For those who are mentioning STLA One. It's a multi energy platform for a C segment cars and low born / elongated D segment cars. It's not for a proper D segment car platform and it's a FWD based.

STLA Large LP3 which was fortunately cancel was born as BEV only and thanks God it's cancelled.

Then we got back to root of problem in my opinion.

Next to a cost cutting ex PSA ehm STLA had a very bad product planning. Their delusions are ithwith small engines, BEV only or BEV first car launches has a long effect on a company. A very bad one.