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This last mule is strange for me. Rushlane is an indian site. Maybe the person is also an indian, who is standing beside the car. Will it be any connection among Fastback and India? Fiat previously withdrawn from that market. 🤔

A little advertisement from my country

On September 26, 2025, the BMW Group's new car factory in Debrecen (Hungary) was officially handed over, where series production of the company's latest model, the Neue Klasse iX3, began.

Some images about the factory (source: https://www.autonavigator.hu/cikkek/ilyen-belul-a-debreceni-bmw-gyar/)

Walter Maria de Silva shared a photo on instagram about his friend in I.DE.A institute.

Little Offtopic

At the introduction of Hamilton with Ferrari he was elegant. This 600e limited edition would be awesome. Does anybody remember some fashion accindents with Hamilton? For example on the belgian GP weekend in 2022? He wore pink or purple clothes with pink mask? Fiat could do lot's of amazing limited editions with him.

This was Hamilton with Ferrari

This was his appearance at belgian GP weekend in 2022:

On 1/8/2025 at 9:36 PM, RamboLambo said:

Ragazzi per caso c'è qualcosa inerente alla 128 sul design e bozzetti vari?? 

Ciao,
Here you can find something about Fiat 128. I guess this book is public. It is in italian language, but there is an english version too.
From page 313

https://www.centrostoricofiat.com/assets/Dante_Giacosa_I_miei_40_anni_di_progettazione_alla_Fiat.pdf



 

Here are some milestones in the born of Punto I, that was shown earlier:
https://www.autopareri.com/forums/topic/23021-mai-nate-fiat/?page=149#comment-2411064

https://www.autopareri.com/forums/topic/23021-mai-nate-fiat/?page=159#comment-2429128

I do not know what was the real turning point that lead to downfall of I.DE.A version. The end of the 80-ies lots of projects ran. Maybe the A93 with Giugiaro showed an all new point of view of design and Fiat prefered that version. According to the news A93 would have been born to eastern market and would have been shorter than Uno/Punto.

At the end of 1980-ies Ermanno Cressoni and Leonardo Fioravanti joined Fiat C.S. Furthermore Paolo Cantarella was appointed to Fiat CEO in 1990. Maybe the CEO showed a new direction and wanted to make a strong Fiat C.S. that he reached with Bravo/Brava. But these are my opinion.

Here are more sketches about Punto Evo. I guess these were in another topic here. Maybe I am in minority, but I like the exterior of Punto Evo.
I attached two links. One is about the presentation of Punto Evo and the other is a very special article with Ruben Wainberg (R.I.P). In this article there is a short and interesting story about the birth of Punto Evo.

Presentation:

Article with Ruben Wainberg
https://ar.motor1.com/news/467934/ruben-wainberg-el-argentino-que-firma-los-disenos-de-abarth/

 

Cita

Flagra: Fiat Grande Panda chega de avião para processo de nacionalização; hatch compacto será vendido em 2025 como sucessor do Argo

 

O Fiat Grande Panda já está no Brasil… Bom, pelo menos duas unidades desembarcaram da Itália para testes da Stellantis por aqui, já antevendo a variante nacional do hatch compacto de baixo custo da marca italiana.

Fabricado na Sérvia, o Fiat Grande Pandafoi vistgo no aeroporto internacional de Guarulhos, o famoso Cumbica, por @marcos_paiva_pontes

, seguidor do @janacletos, sendo uma unidade com camuflagem preta e outra mais clara.

O Grande Panda é o futuro da Fiat

em seu segmento mais popular, o de carros de acesso. Sua missão na Europa é substituir o antigo Panda, mas também criar uma nova família de carros compactos, como foram as famílias Uno e Tipo no passado.

Com visual retrô e uma identificação enorme com o Uno, assim como logicamente com o Panda clássico, aquele da primeira geração, o Grande Panda é mais importante porque conta com mais membros, como um fastback, um SUV familiar e uma picape.

Tido como sucessor do Argo, o Grande Panda tem tudo para ser um player forte no Top 10 do mercado, matando também o Mobi e assim unificando as propostas. Como busca ser um carro honesto, poderá cumprir sem rejeição a missão deste último.

Seus irmãos maiores também terão papéis importantes nessa nova Fiat, que olha para o passado visando o futuro. O Grande Panda Fastback encerrará a carreira do atual na próxima geração, assim como o SUV familiar pretende ter os sete assentos ou um grande bagageiro para colocar tudo dentro.

Já a picape com cabine dupla ficará abaixo da Toro e acima da Strada atual, que lá na frente será simplificada para conviver com esse modelo maior. Pulse? Ele deve ficar pelo caminho, assim como Mobi, Argo e Cronos.

Feitos em Betim com a base CMP, a nova família terá motores Firefly e GSE Turbo 1.0 e 1.3, tendo ainda sistema MHEV de 12V para o propulsor turbinado.

 

https://www.noticiasautomotivas.com.br/flagra-fiat-grande-panda-chega-de-aviao-para-processo-de-nacionalizacao-hatch-compacto-sera-vendido-em-2025-como-sucessor-do-argo/

Is there a loudspeaker on the back of the car?

Quattroruote show some interesting stuff, but I do not know whether this sketches could be real. The article is like a novel with very few facts...

https://www.quattroruote.it/news/qstories/premium/2023/07/04/misteri_dell_auto_settembre_1995.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawElKhBleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHZSe8bd6yWIrvCa2sWP87an9XV5bGLboch20BqXTC5nvJfHOynWKvBYZmg_aem_V7NWzwSRUF_fnQa1Yur_Aw

Could be this project around 1995 after the Cinquecento?

I feel some Giolito vibes about the sketches. The sketch with the side view is similar to FSM Beskid 106 protoype which was a milestone from born of cinquecento.

Maybe there could be something with downtown - a 3 seater car. Furthermore there was the Italdesign Lucciola concept. Finally the ideas of Luciano Bove won with Seicento.

"Designed in Italy at the Centro Stile in Turin, the Fiat Grande Panda stands out from the other B-segment vehicles for its unique compactness at just 3.99-meters long"

Do you remember what car had 3,99 m length?

The Multipla mk1...

The ideas about Fiat signs are interesting. Nowadays I found a small sketch about the five bar sign on Mario Maioli page. It may from cinquecento, because of the blue background.

Source: https://www.mariomaioli.com/  

On 5/13/2024 at 11:58 AM, 4200blu said:

no...molto di piu, 26k

 

 

 

Sorry for the offtopic! I believed that 500 BEV had worse rate against ICE version. @4200blu Could you share sales data here or other topic about Panda I. Elettra, Cinquecento Elettra and Seicento Elettra if it is possible?

Have you seen this article on ANE?

Stellantis to invest $107M in new battery pack to boost Fiat 500 EV range

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/fiat-500-ev-get-new-battery-pack-107-million-investment

Did Stellantis abandon the idea that Fiat 500e will have hybrid version? On march 2024 there were some articles about it, and as far as I remember it was only a survey to suppliers.

7 hours ago, KimKardashian said:

Elum

https://aftersales.fiat.com/eLumData/IT/00/365_FIAT600/00_365_FIAT600_603.85.924_IT_03_06.23_L_LG/00_365_FIAT600_603.85.924_IT_03_06.23_L_LG.pdf

Thank you for your answer! I guess this is user manual.

I think about advertisment catalog like these items:
https://autocatalogarchive.com/fiat/

Has 600e this type of advertisment catalog?

Is printed brochure (or in pdf) available about 600e?

I visited several official Fiat sites in EU countries and there are only price lists, and there are no catalogs.

Will there be no more printed catalogs in the future? Only product descriptions will be available on fiat websites? 

I saw this news in other topic but I have questons with other Fiat Models, so I bring here too

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/fiat-could-add-gasoline-version-500e

"In a twist, Fiat could add gasoline engine option to 500e"

According to the News the production of Fiat 500 (from Tychy) will be moved to Algeria. 500e may have ICE version. 
Fiat Panda will get a refresh in summer, so it could fulfil the new rules (safety and Cyberprotection)

So. What about the other models of Fiat? I guess 600e fulfil the new rules too.

Will 500X and Tipo know the new rules or are they going to phased out in this summer in EU?

"1964, 60 anni fa nasceva il primo studio di un prototipo della futura Fiat 126"
From Centro Storico Fiat FB

I made my Punto versions based on the basic idea of Corsa. I show three rear ending variations. Only pencil work.

Unfortunately I do not drive Fiat Idea, but I liked its plain style. From A&D 139 we can see the birth of the car. I think this was one of the well published stories with Bertone, Fiat C.S. and Italdesign proposals.

Opel Meriva was absolute winner in this category with higher than 100k sales. Its best result was 200k in 2004. Beside this Idea was unfortunately unpopular.

When I see the sales results Idea in Europe, Brazil, and the sales of Lancia Musa, it was surprising. Fiat Idea was desinged for European market. The planned sales volume would be among 100k and 120k and never reached it. Idea in Brazil and Lancia Muse finally reached better results. So Idea is one of the models (designed for Europeans), that was more popular in other country than in EU or Italy. Idea was heavily dependent fo Italian market.

I do not know the price difference among Fiat Idea and Lancia Musa, but I belived that Musa had higher prices. As I read in this topic this was not alwas true

The final results:

Sales of Fiat Idea in EU circa 212k

Sales of Fiat Musa in EU circa 238k

Sales of Fiat Idea in BR circa 250k

From Auto&Design no. 262 (P.S. The new issue contains the design story of Topolino)

I started to think about design of 133 after the comments. secondo me there were 3 Fiat models, that resembles the spanish model. Fiat 127 from 1971, Fiat 126 from 1972 and Fiat 147 from 1976. As I know Fiat 133 was shown in 1974, so Fiat 147 was born later.

The 127 was desinged by Pio Manzú. The first skeches showed a simplier exterior. The belt line was low, for this reason the luggage place was smaller. Fiat Uno has better solution but aesthetically the first 127 was prettier. The 127 had front engine.

Fiat 126 was designed by Sergio Sartorelli and his team. I guess Pio Manzu did not have enough time to work on it because of his early tragic death. Fiat 126 was a „simple technical upgrade” of Fiat 500 with rear engine. (This sketch is from Paul Breuer)

Fiat 147 was the Fiat first car in Brazil, which was fully designed to there. It had shown later than 133 and it had front engine.

If I see all these four cars (127, 126, 147 and 133) 133 has original body with familiar light elements. As it was mentioned the car was „small on the outside, spacious on the inside”, and I agree that the thoughts of @LNA

The sketches from Car Design Archives (CDA - facebook)

I believed that here will be more information about 133. I started and I hope there will be some addition.

There is a short article from MOT (Die Auto-Zeitschrift) 4/74 about a new spanish Fiat (or SEAT). According to the article Fiat C.S. was involved the design of the car.

The test prototypes were different from the original versions. It has round front lights and not angular.

I always believed, that 133 was an "unofficial" Fiat and Seat made it. The technical content from the 850, the lights from other Fiats (Okay I know that the rear lights were different for the 126. 133 has 50%-50% ratio turn signal and break signal). Maybe I was wrong...