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Thank you for your answer! I guess this is user manual. I think about advertisment catalog like these items: https://autocatalogarchive.com/fiat/ Has 600e this type of advertisment catalog?
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Is printed brochure (or in pdf) available about 600e? I visited several official Fiat sites in EU countries and there are only price lists, and there are no catalogs. Will there be no more printed catalogs in the future? Only product descriptions will be available on fiat websites?
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I saw this news in other topic but I have questons with other Fiat Models, so I bring here too https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/fiat-could-add-gasoline-version-500e "In a twist, Fiat could add gasoline engine option to 500e" According to the News the production of Fiat 500 (from Tychy) will be moved to Algeria. 500e may have ICE version. Fiat Panda will get a refresh in summer, so it could fulfil the new rules (safety and Cyberprotection) So. What about the other models of Fiat? I guess 600e fulfil the new rules too. Will 500X and Tipo know the new rules or are they going to phased out in this summer in EU?
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"1964, 60 anni fa nasceva il primo studio di un prototipo della futura Fiat 126" From Centro Storico Fiat FB
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I made my Punto versions based on the basic idea of Corsa. I show three rear ending variations. Only pencil work.
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Unfortunately I do not drive Fiat Idea, but I liked its plain style. From A&D 139 we can see the birth of the car. I think this was one of the well published stories with Bertone, Fiat C.S. and Italdesign proposals. Opel Meriva was absolute winner in this category with higher than 100k sales. Its best result was 200k in 2004. Beside this Idea was unfortunately unpopular. When I see the sales results Idea in Europe, Brazil, and the sales of Lancia Musa, it was surprising. Fiat Idea was desinged for European market. The planned sales volume would be among 100k and 120k and never reached it. Idea in Brazil and Lancia Muse finally reached better results. So Idea is one of the models (designed for Europeans), that was more popular in other country than in EU or Italy. Idea was heavily dependent fo Italian market. I do not know the price difference among Fiat Idea and Lancia Musa, but I belived that Musa had higher prices. As I read in this topic this was not alwas true The final results: Sales of Fiat Idea in EU circa 212k Sales of Fiat Musa in EU circa 238k Sales of Fiat Idea in BR circa 250k
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From Auto&Design no. 262 (P.S. The new issue contains the design story of Topolino)
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I started to think about design of 133 after the comments. secondo me there were 3 Fiat models, that resembles the spanish model. Fiat 127 from 1971, Fiat 126 from 1972 and Fiat 147 from 1976. As I know Fiat 133 was shown in 1974, so Fiat 147 was born later. The 127 was desinged by Pio Manzú. The first skeches showed a simplier exterior. The belt line was low, for this reason the luggage place was smaller. Fiat Uno has better solution but aesthetically the first 127 was prettier. The 127 had front engine. Fiat 126 was designed by Sergio Sartorelli and his team. I guess Pio Manzu did not have enough time to work on it because of his early tragic death. Fiat 126 was a „simple technical upgrade” of Fiat 500 with rear engine. (This sketch is from Paul Breuer) Fiat 147 was the Fiat first car in Brazil, which was fully designed to there. It had shown later than 133 and it had front engine. If I see all these four cars (127, 126, 147 and 133) 133 has original body with familiar light elements. As it was mentioned the car was „small on the outside, spacious on the inside”, and I agree that the thoughts of @LNA The sketches from Car Design Archives (CDA - facebook)
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I believed that here will be more information about 133. I started and I hope there will be some addition. There is a short article from MOT (Die Auto-Zeitschrift) 4/74 about a new spanish Fiat (or SEAT). According to the article Fiat C.S. was involved the design of the car. The test prototypes were different from the original versions. It has round front lights and not angular. I always believed, that 133 was an "unofficial" Fiat and Seat made it. The technical content from the 850, the lights from other Fiats (Okay I know that the rear lights were different for the 126. 133 has 50%-50% ratio turn signal and break signal). Maybe I was wrong...
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Another video with Topolino https://www.facebook.com/reel/104899515961434
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According to Fenerbrave in Brasil there are two pick-up's category. "Pequenas" and "Grendes". Fiat Strada lead the "Pequenas" category and Fiat Toro lead the "Grandes" What about Fiat Toro? Where will Titano be placed? Titano will be bigger?
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The side view of Fiat 600 was familiar to me. Now I remember a sketch about an 500L idea (Ellezero) from its design presentation. [The gray one.]
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I don't know it was posted earlier. According to the logo it was before 2007, and maybe it could be the C-Xover... Source: https://www.coroflot.com/ramonginah/Works-Group-Style
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I read the original article. My first question was what about the factory of Kragujevac (Serbia)? I believed that the next generation of "Panda" will be built there. What will be assembled there? Everything changes often. The future of Bursa was weird. The Turkish will be built only Stellantis vans... Maybe is this another change?
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I found a little mystery on ebay. https://www.ebay.com/itm/325390652344?hash=item4bc2cb53b8:g:blcAAOSwno1jUUQc&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAwHynUbUHH6qB8dTBKeYBST%2F81hEaKzuBCUIvxqi4UPZyK1mvsSPkjkFvhx22A2xxCvx7cSl8sMLk%2FaWMYLUW4Dg3LVfDOltRuG34gI3%2BFSMh1F6AgG83vPhxRAjKQU72Px6ma7Hdicr0lTUFcMFl%2BCCCLGfNRUlbV0BYVdvq9KTnK5eY3Pz8G0LRDid29kGSa5OxcS0WSDXivuJE988%2B158CuLhMUPaZjuH6gnPWSyoaVyHrmmQ8TNjioSHq1eHBIw%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR8ab37PeYQ It says this item is from Giugiaro and it was made for Fiat. But it seems to me Volkswagen Tex concept. Did the seller make a mistake, or could it really be a fiat proposal? Here is the VW Tex concept P.S. VW bought Italdesign in 2010. Tex and Go! was the first concepts in the new era as far as I remember.
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So could this rear view proposal and that front proposal be the same?
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I discovered a short video about the evoltution of Fiat fastback exterior. I cannot find the original source. https://www.facebook.com/stellantisfanpage/videos/456336936256323
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What was the connection among I.DE.A Modulaire and Gritta? Both of them were born in 1994 and were penned by I.DE.A. Gritta reminds me of a little bit Tata Nano
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https://www.facebook.com/AutoDesignMag/posts/5374411799276126 Does anyone know what happened to him?😢 I remember that he was part of the team who designed the Fiat 500 (2007) and Fiat Punto Evo (2009). I hoped that he could rise more in Fiat C.S. He was head of Abarth between 2007-2015. Some of his works was: Fiat 500, Fiat Punto Evo, Fiat 595 Abath, Fiat Punto India, Fiat Palio II, Abarth 1000 SP, Fiat 124 (and Abarth)
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Who remembers this topic? I hate that "mad" ideas could come true...
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One mule was tested in Hungary. According to the article the hungarian AImotive company helps Sony in self driving system. Sources: https://villanyautosok.hu/2022/03/17/magyarorszagon-tesztelik-a-sony-villanyautojat/ https://villanyautosok.hu/2021/01/13/magyar-ceg-fejleszti-a-sony-elektromos-autojanak-onvezeto-rendszeret/
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Maybe a little bit off topic, but I would like to ask about the new dealership reorganization. I do not understand the whole system from the article, but could standardization bring same prices among European countries? According to the article: „Stellantis maintains transparent retail prices that are the same at all dealerships and on the Internet” Does it mean that within a country one type of cars has the same price in every dealerships? Can not the customer bargain the price? Will be price differences of new cars among countries? In Hungary and maybe in Lithuania there are huge reexport for Fiat and Jeeps for couple of years. The salaries and other product prices are different in the european countries. secondo me that is why Fiat 500 ICE is cheaper in Hungary than in other countries. I think the reexport of Fiat 500 ICE could be roughly 70 percent of the total sold units in Hungary. Will reexport change in the future with this new system? Or is reexport a local specialty?
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According to Auto&Design no.82 there are some information about them, but there are some news from me. This is from Fiat C.S. from January 1987 This is from Fiat C.S. from September 1988 This is also from Fiat C.S. from january 1990 This is from I.DE.A from December 1989. This is from Pininfarina from May 1990. The other three types of proposals are new from me. These are not in A&D. I guess these are also from Fiat C.S. and not for Italdesign. This one could be an evolution of the January 1990 proposal Trino - Three models being taken into consideration (Panda, Y10, Uno) as a production synergy. Do not forget that there were lots of spy shots about the I.DE.A propsal. So maybe that could be the "original" Punto... Another small information from Autocar UK (18 April 1990) "If the reports are correct that the original design by I.DE.A has been scrapped... ...Five prototypes - two from Fiat C.S. one each from Italdesign, Pininfarina and I.DE.A - will fight for the go-ahead this July (1990), according to gossip"
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For the Fiat codes: Fiat 500e -->332 There are some other codes, which I don’t know if they’re good: Panda IV --> 319 ??? The newcomer in Tychy 2023 --> 364 ??? (small crossover) Fullback --> 503 Talento based on Renault (2016) --> 296
