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Put Lexus aside. But for example. Why would someone buy Junior instead of lets say Renault Capture? Cons and pros.

It seems that the main purpose for Symbioz on some markets is to act as the fleet queen. Thus they've launched it as HEV only at the time which will replace ICE Megane and to some extent ICE Scenic.

Of course they will add MHEV and even GPL versions down the line.

Austral? I don't know if its build the same as Nissan QQ. If it is then it's more like a premium products. All doors and closures are aluminium. Think of Giulia and Stelvio.

@nucarote

It has the same wheelbase length as Captur.

7 hours ago, itr83 said:

è alta solo 1,50m, è quasi una berlina, molto bene, visto che oggi sei "obbligato" a fare un suv meglio un suv "ribassato" per una Alfa.

mi piace ma con 31900€ prenderei una CX-30 Skyactive-X senza pensarci...

It's not. It's only valid for Veloce.

Actually it's 1.53m high.

Where is Fiat version?

Maybe they should name it into Alfa Romeo Fiasco.

Do you really believe that it has VDA boot space of 400 litres? C'mon guys!

Don't forget that CMP is in its origins low cost C segment platform for Chinese marker which PSA inherited from Dongfeng.

That means that in the first place it's cheap to make while for B/subcompact segment it lacks interior space. Packaging just isn't right, it isn't efficient.

Yes, this is a subcompact car. This is not a compact car and this is not by any means Giulietta successor.

C/compact segment cars have different design goals in thems of NVH, driving dynamics and so on and on.

For me drawbacks remain the same 

Fixation on BEV offering. So very dubious choice if internal combustion engine. Choice of a questionable transmission for a sporty brand.

I mean. Where is GSE, where is Uconnect. Just imagine this car with a 1.5 litre 160 HP engine and a proper 7 speed DCT from Gettag in comparison with this 6 speed Chinese fakery.

Uconnect 5 is arguably better infotainment system than French junk.

In terms of dimensions I'm still wondering why they've decided against 2008 wheelbase length. In my opinion it would be miles better choice for Alfa Romeo.

With this sideline looks kind of squashed.

And yes. Design of the front end is quite busy and it's like that because of CMP platform and its constraints. I mean there is not much modularity with CMP. It's constrained like an old platform.

I mean even air intake is set in stone with this platform and because we got this strange front end design.

I almost forgot.

External colour choice is very bad.

Where is a proper blue, where is a green?

9 hours ago, Gengis26 said:

Se parlate di Stelvio e Giulia NO. La versione di STLA Large che attualmente è in utilizzo non è multienergia. 

What makes it different to a multi energy STLA Large?

4 hours ago, AlexMi said:

Se auto grandi e pesanti come DS7 e Gamma devono montare il 1.2 3 cilindri, forse è meglio se escono solo elettriche.

Not to mention that already 1.5 GSE with "just" 130 HP has better performance than 1.2 136 HP PureDreck.

4 hours ago, nucarote said:

Ma meno abitabile mi sa.  

Less? 😱

Already the Avenger is really small on the inside.

Well... This is prime example of PSA's stinginess. Mechanic or great mechanical solutions were never on their ethos.

Their PR is trying to iron this out. How great there are and so on. On the other hand no one from media outlets is questioning this. Sort of win-win for PSA.

On 16/1/2024 at 13:56, Gengis26 said:

A Modena stanno finendo i lavori per un intera sala prove elettrificata nuova di zecca con potenze paragonabili a quelle di Rimac, stanno investendo per elettrificare quelle vecchie, stanno costruendo nuove sale prova per il test delle celle batteria. 

Se Maserati ha i suoi problemi e lo ripeto ancora NON è per colpa di Tavares.

Basta con queste cazzate!

 

On the other hand people at Rimac are expecting to work for PSA. They're cheapest on the market and one of the best. They have contracts for BMW and so on.

PSA is doing on all cheap so Rimac seems like a logical solution. But then PSA is known to push with French suppliers. We'll see...

2 minutes ago, Graziano68dt said:

Infatti io sconsiglio avenger a chiunque con quella motorizzazione, avevano i firefly che erano esenti da quei difetti, invece sono andati a metterci quei motoracci.

Già su 600 per fortuna è il 1.2 catenato, ma anche qua a far da betatester ci penserei 2 volte...

Turbo GSE can't be fitted inside of CMP based cars. Maybe 1.0 turbo but for sure not 1.3 or 1.5.

I think that French people do not care much about reliability. Or French car makers do not care much about it.

They're sure that French people will continue buying their products. French people are very nationally conscious.

On 12/1/2024 at 16:42, stev66 said:

Ragazzi, come saranno le piattaforme lo sappiamo. 

Le piccole passeranno tutte su STLA small. Prima o poi. 

Le altre sulla corrispondente piattaforma. 

La componentistica d'acquisto ed i powertrain saranno unificati quanto più possibile ( cosa più semplice per le BEV) 

I motori termici resteranno in LATAM ( I Firefly)  ed in NAFTA, e se necessario si peschera' lì. 

 

I'm not so sure that GSE will stay in LATAM. They have plans for electrification.

On 12/12/2023 at 10:12, __P said:

La CMP ha iniziato a vedersi a Torino ben prima della formalizzazione della fusione. I problemi di gioventù di Avenger che si basa al 99% su di una PSA, magari se ingegnerizzata da PSA non ci sarebbero stati. Non perché in PSA siano più bravi, ma perché appunto è roba sua…

Certe affermazioni è meglio farle se si è sicuri di quanto si afferma.

Poi che le condivisioni con le altre CMP siano importanti è un dato di fatto

C'mon, they even didn't do such an easy work as Uconnect for CMP or turbo Firefly for CMP (not even for Brazil).

For me that's very lazy on development side. Or at least stingy. 

Not to mention that dimensions of CMP cars are almost the same. There is no different wheelbase, car height, etc.

You have B SUV and all are the same.

I mean, Jeep Avenger has a height of a tall hatchback.

secondo me

Gilles > Ploue

Thank You mister Tavaresh!

This is not a classic DCT.

Unfortunately I can't find the article which I've posted on this forum a long time ago. I think that I've posted it.

This is not a classic DCT. We can talk about single clutch transmission with additional e-clutch.

The wet-clutch, six-speed DCA is different from a conventional dual-clutch transmission (DCT) by the virtue of its separately-placed clutches, as well as a single layshaft unlike the DCT‘s two or three units.  The patented new way of realising the dual clutch principle offers seamless DCT shifting, while using 35 percent less shifting components.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.autocarpro.in/news-national/punch-powertrains-compact-dct-system-debuts-with-tata-altroz-81412%3famp=1

On 14/11/2023 at 09:12, gilerak scrive:

La quale PUNCH, leggo ora, ha recentemente acquisito gli stabilimenti pisani di Vitesco. Non ho capito se solo quegli stabilimenti o tutta Vitesco ma probabilmente la prima.

 

https://www.ansa.it/canale_motori/notizie/industria/2023/06/06/auto-vitesco-technologies-entra-nel-gruppo-punch_34e65adb-268f-4d32-b6fc-5c62543090c7.html

Vitesco Technologies, società toscana che opera nelle tecnologie di elettrificazione nel settore automotive, entra nel gruppo Punch, multinazionale belga specializzata in trasmissioni e sistemi di propulsione.

Vitesco iz German company based in Regensburg.

This is not classic DCT. Actually this is a single clutch transmissio. And that's all folks 

Usual PSA way of doing things.

Cheap as possible

Not very advanced

Performance is not imortant

Engineering is outsourced

Production is done by PSA

2 hours ago, AlexMi said:

Il cambio automatico di suo non aumenta i consumi, a meno che non sia a convertitore di coppia.

In questo caso dovrebbe esserci un doppia frizione con frizioni a secco, che non peggiora i consumi.

This transmission doesn't have 2 clutches although the name may suggest otherwise.

What's so good with this new 1.2 PureTech. From that I've seen based on aperformance level it can't hold a candle for 1.5 FireFly.

It's sad to see abandonment of a superior engine.

On 10/18/2023 at 9:37 PM, __P said:

Il 2 indica il segmento più che altro.

Probabilmente a fine carriera di queste vetture su “Smart” le eredi saranno su small. D’altronde in VAG hanno in cantiere un unica piattaforma per fare quasi tutte le auto del gruppo, da Skoda a Porsche.

2 is market segment?

So they are a bit of inconsistent or not?

STLA Medium based Lancia D segment product has number 4 while for exaplme next gen Giulia and Stelvio on STLA Large have number 5...

Can you list all body codes/project under the new nomenclature in appropriate thread. All in the one place 

There is no 136 HP version?

Lancia versions had hemispherical combustion chamber?