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Astra only SW is a misunderstanding AFAIK. The CEO said that the SW will definitely stay for the German market, but the hatch might change its form. Not that the hatch will disappear without replacement.

On 26/07/2026 at 18:17, cruzmaltino scrive:

Cosa offrirebbe Stellantis in cambio della possibilità di utilizzare la piattaforma CLAR di BMW per i nuovi modelli del segmento D?

 

La piattaforma STLA One, per ridurre i costi (e aumentare i margini) della Mini Cooper?

 

Tra le soluzioni proposte – escludendo purtroppo la piattaforma Giorgio Sport per via dei costi – la migliore opzione sarebbe quella di far sviluppare e mettere a punto un'auto basata sull'architettura BMW da Alfa Romeo.

That would be very similar to their plan of 2008:

https://groups.io/g/stirling/topic/fiat_and_bmw_to_join_forces/5391605

On 15/07/2026 at 10:35, xtom scrive:

Più che altro in Nuovo Segmento D (in studio) hanno messo solo un'auto, quindi Giulia e Stelvio diventeranno una cosa sola?

I don't think that means anything. D-segment, not D-model. That could even mean 3 models. Unlikely I know.

28 minuti fa, tipt scrive:

Quindi junior mca (non è un po presto?)

Al posto di tonale attuale una c-hatch

Al posto di Stelvio una c-uv large

E al posto di Giulia la d in studio

?

2 suv e 2 berline stop (le fuoriserie non le conto)

No, no and no. The Junior MCA is not too early. It has to stay competitive with newcomers that got nicer interior materials and such. Avenger with soft materials now, STLA One products. This is not Fiat/FCA anymore that made too few, late and tiny facelifts. The current Opel and Peugeot B-models get at least 2 MCAs in their lifetime.

C-SUV will replace current Tonale. If it grows it will still be normal C-segment SUV size of 2028 which got bigger in general, not D-segment. C-hatch is obviously a different, lower car.

14 ore fa, Kay195 scrive:

Veramente se vogliamo essere così fiscali la prima iterazione di questa Medium risale al 2013 con C4 Picasso, ma da lì ha subito tante evoluzioni quante ne ha subite Small Wide rispetto a cosa c'era sotto GPunto.

Ciò non toglie che questa nuova Tonale può essere un C-SUV valido e concorrenziale con i giusti accorgimenti tecnici (come DC sulla PHEV ecc.).

If we want to see STLA Medium as a simple EMP evolution, yes. Both platform histories show that they are subject to ongoing evolution and don't have to keep current limitations in three years.

The important thing is: When Tonale launched, most products on Small Wide were already end-of-life. No further platform development to be expected anymore. Not for tiny Alfa sales. Now STLA Medium has some fresh and important models on it that gives it a much better outlook, even if the next generation might switch to One. And if it's updated to get STLA Brain and Cockpit with Tonale II, the electronic updates can be shared between One, Medium, Large and the upcoming vans.

3 ore fa, A.Masera scrive:

comunque mi pare di capire che questa sarà l'ultima STLA Medium e che si fa perchè ormai fermarla era troppo tardi...

Una macchina della precedente gestione insomma e nulla più

In contrast to the Fiat/GM Small/SCCS platform, which debuted 17 years before the Tonale with the Grande Punto, STLA Medium is pretty fresh with its debut in 2023/2024. We don't know if it will ever get replaced by STLA One for the taller C/D segment SUV, might have a long career with many upgrades ahead. And we don't know how far STLA One development currently is – beyond the initial B segment BEV.

21 minuti fa, Motron scrive:

Tonale vivrà dal 2028 al 2035-2036 e solo in EU.

Conterà principalmente la bontà delle sue versioni BEV... ed è qui che sono piuttosto preoccupato.

Why do you think only in the EU? Didn't Filosa recently confirm Alfa will stay in the US? Of course it could offer a 2.0 turbo version there, at least the US 1.6 FHEV.

It amazes me that most of you concentrate so much on the ICE offerings and totally ignore the BEV, while the share of that will (and must) grow more and more – specially with fleet buyers.

@Osv the new Bottega project is missing from the updated model index.

The fleet presentation indicates this order of appearance:

• Junior MCA (until 2027)

• C-SUV (Tonale successor, STLA Medium, late 2027)

• New Bottega Fuoriserie project

• C-hatchback (Giulietta successor, STLA One)

• D-segment (in study)

The C pillar looks rather classic and curvy, no black plastic angles to see. If the name Tonale is not totally burned, they rather stay with it to build a little bit continuity. They might even build on the current design, but lower and with better proportions.

50 minuti fa, vince-991 scrive:

Peugeot e’ il marchio con più novità. Sarà un caso?

Peugeot is simply the brand with the most existing products that expect new generations until 2030.

I hope they decide the Alfa D-segment soon. Commercially the comeback of C-hatch should bring much bigger results though.

The Alfa column seems to be in order of appearance. I think this presentation doesn't say anything about Abarth since it's finally treated as what it already was: The sporty top versions of FIAT. That's fine. Doesn't need an extra column. The fate of Lanca and DS was clear already. Only question is how long they'll keep the exclusive models.

FIAT management

4 minuti fa, angelogiulio scrive:

sinceramente questi deliri mi sembrano tutti causati da stereotipi che qualche manager francese ha dell'italia e degli italiani. la continua ossessione del pittoresco, dell'o sole o mare, delle macchinine simpatichine e paccottiglia varia non possono che nascere da questa visione sballata e implicitamente razzista. la cosa non mi stupisce affatto conoscendo certa francia bianca proveniente da arrondissement a una cifra. i risultati si vedono: per lancia hanno appeso due fanali posticci alla 208 e via, per fiat anziché fare una punto (LA seg. b per eccellenza per noi italiani) per la seg. b han fatto la grande panda, me li vedo "il faut faire ça, il y a dejà la pandà, on fait la grand pandà et voiltà"... e infatti non vendono una cippa. ora vogliono lanciare questi trabiccoli? dai su, han già fatto abbastanza danni.

FIAT management is based in Italy. So is European brand management and European market management. Your French influence is called Olivier François. 🙃

2 ore fa, vince-991 scrive:

Penso che usare il brand Abarth per una operazione del genere sia il modo giusto per danneggiarlo. Ma forse sono io a sbagliare pensandolo

Isn't the ridiculous tuning of tiny slow FIATs exactly the original core of Abarth?

16 ore fa, Marco1975 scrive:

Hanno venduto zéro elettriche sportive tra junior , 600 abarth e lancia ypsilon hf e ora vogliono ripetere l’esperimento con questa Gamma bev hf. Mah, una volta si diceva che errare è umano, perseverare è diabolico

You know the reason why there's no ICE hot hatches coming anymore in Europe, right? Even the VW GTI is gone.

I don't have numbers, but I see quite a lot Alfa Junior Veloce owners in forums and FB groups. Mostly from central and northern Europe.

1 ora fa, Simopino scrive:

questa pandina sta pericolosamente diventando un'evergreen.. tutti la amano e tutti la vogliono... lo so che abbiamo ancora tempo ma devono davvero lavorare come si deve sull'erede per il 2030, qualsiasi essa sia, altrimenti prevedo la stessa ecatombe del pensionamento della vecchia ypsilon o dello stop del cinquino 2007 ICE

In Italy only though. Panda lost other regions by lack of bigger updates and loss of options over the years.

But they don't really start at zero. The previous developments on STLA Large (Alfa) and Giorgio Evo (Maserati) can be built on. STLA Brain and Cockpit are (almost?) ready. And in the FaSTLAne presentation they had emphasis on shorter (> 24 months) development times.

17 ore fa, STEVEC scrive:

In my opinion (and my hope), we won't see a D-seg Alfa or a Maserati based on a chinese platform. The word "collaboration" doesnt necessarily mean "platform"

18 minuti fa, STEVEC scrive:

PS Where is Imparato? It seems like slowly, what a surprise (not), theyre removing him from the picture 😅

Even if there's talk about platform collaboration, it can mean electric/electronic platform and nothing mechanical.

Just wanted to ask the same! Busy negotiating in Asia? 😁

Nothing about the C hatchback?

I think It's rather a 500 5-door coming. All versions will happen on the same platform obviously.

But there's no need to hurry with the current generation. It just needs the electric LFP battery update with a price drop ASAP. And a stronger hybrid wouldn't hurt. The design is still strong, clean and fresh.

On 16/06/2026 at 19:15, GL91 scrive:

Andava tutto bene fino all'ultima frase 🫣

Relax, I see a cockpit hood in front of the driver.

We're living in times of extra long car lifespans (again). Everybody extends or renews existing models instead of new ICE generations.

32 minuti fa, falconero79 scrive:

si deve ringraziare Manley a cui alfa fregava meno di zero

It's easy to blame Manley who took over in 2018, but in reality the development of additional models must have been stopped much earlier. The Alfa Giorgio range was supposed to be more or less complete in 2018 to sell 400k cars.

I follow Alfa's path since around 2000 and their relaunch plans got torpedoed again and again by lack of money, long term strategy and continuity.

I think the wide c-pillar is because of cost savings: both versions share the doors with windows.

And as the slow engine rollout of Grande Panda must have been at least in part engine and gearbox production related, this should get out faster. If the factory can handle it. Wonder if they’ll add EU production later to get EU benefits.

Somehow this was designed before the Polo and it shows. "Back to classic VW" not applied yet. And a very non-dynamic pensioner mover, more like Golf Plus than Tiguan.

30 minuti fa, whitebyzantine53 scrive:

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/verkehr/opel-zukunft-naechster-astra-wird-ein-crossover/

This could be the base article: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-vauxhall-astra-confirmed-2030-less-traditional-shape

Huettl didn't say that Astra will become a crossover. He says that it could change form but keep Astra's strengths. And that they'll keep the wagon.

1 ora fa, STEVEC scrive:

Cappellano is talking about the New Tonale. Manta was scheduled for Melfi, and it was a D-seg car, sister model to the No8. For Pomigliano they assigned 2 compact cars, one Opel and one Alfa, according to rumors. It was also a rumor that they would be 2 crossovers (I did as well) but given that we now know the Alfa compact car will be a hatchback, that one probably wasn't accurate. The Leapmotor-Opel will be an SUV, not a crossover, and has nothing to do with any of the aforementioned models.

Cappellano is talking about both C Alfas. But the wording regarding Melfi is open for interpretation secondo me. But as there's a political meeting next week, things should be clearer.

The lines between hatchback/crossover and crossover/SUV are very blurry. Alfa Junior was introduced as a SUV while it has the same height as hatchbacks (R5, ID.Polo). Panda is called a hatchback while it's tall and riding high. Whatever the planned models for Pomigliano were, it was always unrealistic to expect the Astra to go south. I don't know any proper indication for that. Opel needs German presence and production to fulfil it's role. Rüsselheim needs product. And Italy isn't cheap either.