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If you compare European Junior sales to FIAT/Abarth 600, it's surprisingly successful. I don't know how many dealers Alfa has in Italy, but abroad they are very rare compared to FIAT and advertising outside of the digital Alfisti bubble is almost non-existent.

Alfa needs an entry model to get new customers on board. Classic Alfisti are aging. They don't have the sales base and visibility to go for higher segments only.

Any info about the general MY27 yet? The MCA seems to come not until 2027 but maybe some updates beside the new door cards already? I hope the 19" wheels are not limited to the Luna Rossa.

2 ore fa, FRNT scrive:

Momento storico: nuovi cerchi in lega!

The side view is an AI picture, right? With the script at the side skirt and the red brake caliber at the rear. Where does the wheel info come from? Do you have a link?

I like it but I hope it doesn't replace the (Sport Speciale) Alcantara interior. 19" wheels are a good size choice and the light grey paint suits him well. I hope all MY27 Juniors get the new (identical to Avenger MCA) door panels. Alfa-dedicated design for them wouldn't have hurt though, now that Carlos is gone.

But why the heck are the LR live jackets grey and not in some bright color? 🤔

And let's not forget the Frontera fills an unstable position in Opel's lineup: Meriva, Crossland, Frontera changed pretty much not only by name from each other. The success is quite remarkable for that. But I think it takes sales away from the Mokka.

Yes, this looks like a Restomod, not like a concept for the future. Was/is the R8 a legend? I don't remember it.

No. But the hatch might change character.

It's funny they put so much emphasis on the name — when we know their last-minute history: Furiosa-MiTo, Milano-Giulietta, Milano-Junior …

When in doubt, check the price list and not the configurator. In Germany, blue is the basic colour, all others cost 700 € extra.

Isn't the (European) website structure more or less identical for all STLA brands now?

If it only sells to fleets — that don't really care about brands — why does it exist at all? They have other brands for that.

I do understand that the small expected sales numbers don't justify many style/colour variants, but this car in purple/gray with black taxi interior looks really sad.

14 minuti fa, A.Masera scrive:

infatti dicono "ci fa pensare" perchè semplicemente fanno un viaggione mentale associando Alfa sportive del passato =/ SUV.

Dovendo scommettere sugli stilemi del gruppo, darei per quasi certi questi elementi:

• Fari raccordati allo scudo o comunque molto sottili

• Barra luminosa posteriore

• Fari anteriori su due livelli

Lo penso soprattutto per due ragioni:

• La suddivisione dei fari anteriori permetterebbe di ottimizzare il carryover dei supporti frontali dei modelli esistenti, una soluzione già vista sulla Junior.

• La barra luminosa posteriore è ormai diffusissima tra i concorrenti ed era già stata prevista per lo Stelvio mai nato.

My 2 cents

Everyone and his mother has a rear light bar nowadays. Boring, like 100 Chinese cars. I'm glad the Tonale II teaser shows something different. And I hope the 2-story front light trend is over already. Something more organic for Alfa please.

If you read the press release for the concept it's clear they'll show a very driver focused car that all Alfisti must love. Maybe a Spider/Coupé and we see the rear/boot on the picture? In concept form it doesn't have to be a well-selling segment.

BTW the German text version says "more details soon" … https://www.media.stellantis.com/de-de/alfa-romeo/press/alfa-romeo-auf-dem-pariser-autosalon-konzeptfahrzeug-gibt-einen-ausblick-auf-die-zukunft-der-marke

And? The difference between original STLA Small plans from 2021 and the outcome as STLA One in 2026–2028 doesn't prove they started from scratch. The project just changed direction and got expanded during the development phase. Nothing unusual.

Astra only SW is a misunderstanding AFAIK. The CEO said that the SW will definitely stay for the German market, but the hatch might change its form. Not that the hatch will disappear without replacement.

On 26/07/2026 at 18:17, cruzmaltino scrive:

Cosa offrirebbe Stellantis in cambio della possibilità di utilizzare la piattaforma CLAR di BMW per i nuovi modelli del segmento D?

 

La piattaforma STLA One, per ridurre i costi (e aumentare i margini) della Mini Cooper?

 

Tra le soluzioni proposte – escludendo purtroppo la piattaforma Giorgio Sport per via dei costi – la migliore opzione sarebbe quella di far sviluppare e mettere a punto un'auto basata sull'architettura BMW da Alfa Romeo.

That would be very similar to their plan of 2008:

https://groups.io/g/stirling/topic/fiat_and_bmw_to_join_forces/5391605

On 15/07/2026 at 10:35, xtom scrive:

Più che altro in Nuovo Segmento D (in studio) hanno messo solo un'auto, quindi Giulia e Stelvio diventeranno una cosa sola?

I don't think that means anything. D-segment, not D-model. That could even mean 3 models. Unlikely I know.

28 minuti fa, tipt scrive:

Quindi junior mca (non è un po presto?)

Al posto di tonale attuale una c-hatch

Al posto di Stelvio una c-uv large

E al posto di Giulia la d in studio

?

2 suv e 2 berline stop (le fuoriserie non le conto)

No, no and no. The Junior MCA is not too early. It has to stay competitive with newcomers that got nicer interior materials and such. Avenger with soft materials now, STLA One products. This is not Fiat/FCA anymore that made too few, late and tiny facelifts. The current Opel and Peugeot B-models get at least 2 MCAs in their lifetime.

C-SUV will replace current Tonale. If it grows it will still be normal C-segment SUV size of 2028 which got bigger in general, not D-segment. C-hatch is obviously a different, lower car.

14 ore fa, Kay195 scrive:

Veramente se vogliamo essere così fiscali la prima iterazione di questa Medium risale al 2013 con C4 Picasso, ma da lì ha subito tante evoluzioni quante ne ha subite Small Wide rispetto a cosa c'era sotto GPunto.

Ciò non toglie che questa nuova Tonale può essere un C-SUV valido e concorrenziale con i giusti accorgimenti tecnici (come DC sulla PHEV ecc.).

If we want to see STLA Medium as a simple EMP evolution, yes. Both platform histories show that they are subject to ongoing evolution and don't have to keep current limitations in three years.

The important thing is: When Tonale launched, most products on Small Wide were already end-of-life. No further platform development to be expected anymore. Not for tiny Alfa sales. Now STLA Medium has some fresh and important models on it that gives it a much better outlook, even if the next generation might switch to One. And if it's updated to get STLA Brain and Cockpit with Tonale II, the electronic updates can be shared between One, Medium, Large and the upcoming vans.

3 ore fa, A.Masera scrive:

comunque mi pare di capire che questa sarà l'ultima STLA Medium e che si fa perchè ormai fermarla era troppo tardi...

Una macchina della precedente gestione insomma e nulla più

In contrast to the Fiat/GM Small/SCCS platform, which debuted 17 years before the Tonale with the Grande Punto, STLA Medium is pretty fresh with its debut in 2023/2024. We don't know if it will ever get replaced by STLA One for the taller C/D segment SUV, might have a long career with many upgrades ahead. And we don't know how far STLA One development currently is – beyond the initial B segment BEV.

21 minuti fa, Motron scrive:

Tonale vivrà dal 2028 al 2035-2036 e solo in EU.

Conterà principalmente la bontà delle sue versioni BEV... ed è qui che sono piuttosto preoccupato.

Why do you think only in the EU? Didn't Filosa recently confirm Alfa will stay in the US? Of course it could offer a 2.0 turbo version there, at least the US 1.6 FHEV.

It amazes me that most of you concentrate so much on the ICE offerings and totally ignore the BEV, while the share of that will (and must) grow more and more – specially with fleet buyers.

@Osv the new Bottega project is missing from the updated model index.

The fleet presentation indicates this order of appearance:

• Junior MCA (until 2027)

• C-SUV (Tonale successor, STLA Medium, late 2027)

• New Bottega Fuoriserie project

• C-hatchback (Giulietta successor, STLA One)

• D-segment (in study)

The C pillar looks rather classic and curvy, no black plastic angles to see. If the name Tonale is not totally burned, they rather stay with it to build a little bit continuity. They might even build on the current design, but lower and with better proportions.

50 minuti fa, vince-991 scrive:

Peugeot e’ il marchio con più novità. Sarà un caso?

Peugeot is simply the brand with the most existing products that expect new generations until 2030.

I hope they decide the Alfa D-segment soon. Commercially the comeback of C-hatch should bring much bigger results though.

The Alfa column seems to be in order of appearance. I think this presentation doesn't say anything about Abarth since it's finally treated as what it already was: The sporty top versions of FIAT. That's fine. Doesn't need an extra column. The fate of Lanca and DS was clear already. Only question is how long they'll keep the exclusive models.

FIAT management

4 minuti fa, angelogiulio scrive:

sinceramente questi deliri mi sembrano tutti causati da stereotipi che qualche manager francese ha dell'italia e degli italiani. la continua ossessione del pittoresco, dell'o sole o mare, delle macchinine simpatichine e paccottiglia varia non possono che nascere da questa visione sballata e implicitamente razzista. la cosa non mi stupisce affatto conoscendo certa francia bianca proveniente da arrondissement a una cifra. i risultati si vedono: per lancia hanno appeso due fanali posticci alla 208 e via, per fiat anziché fare una punto (LA seg. b per eccellenza per noi italiani) per la seg. b han fatto la grande panda, me li vedo "il faut faire ça, il y a dejà la pandà, on fait la grand pandà et voiltà"... e infatti non vendono una cippa. ora vogliono lanciare questi trabiccoli? dai su, han già fatto abbastanza danni.

FIAT management is based in Italy. So is European brand management and European market management. Your French influence is called Olivier François. 🙃

2 ore fa, vince-991 scrive:

Penso che usare il brand Abarth per una operazione del genere sia il modo giusto per danneggiarlo. Ma forse sono io a sbagliare pensandolo

Isn't the ridiculous tuning of tiny slow FIATs exactly the original core of Abarth?