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That would be very similar to their plan of 2008: https://groups.io/g/stirling/topic/fiat_and_bmw_to_join_forces/5391605
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I don't think that means anything. D-segment, not D-model. That could even mean 3 models. Unlikely I know. No, no and no. The Junior MCA is not too early. It has to stay competitive with newcomers that got nicer interior materials and such. Avenger with soft materials now, STLA One products. This is not Fiat/FCA anymore that made too few, late and tiny facelifts. The current Opel and Peugeot B-models get at least 2 MCAs in their lifetime. C-SUV will replace current Tonale. If it grows it will still be normal C-segment SUV size of 2028 which got bigger in general, not D-segment. C-hatch is obviously a different, lower car.
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If we want to see STLA Medium as a simple EMP evolution, yes. Both platform histories show that they are subject to ongoing evolution and don't have to keep current limitations in three years. The important thing is: When Tonale launched, most products on Small Wide were already end-of-life. No further platform development to be expected anymore. Not for tiny Alfa sales. Now STLA Medium has some fresh and important models on it that gives it a much better outlook, even if the next generation might switch to One. And if it's updated to get STLA Brain and Cockpit with Tonale II, the electronic updates can be shared between One, Medium, Large and the upcoming vans.
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In contrast to the Fiat/GM Small/SCCS platform, which debuted 17 years before the Tonale with the Grande Punto, STLA Medium is pretty fresh with its debut in 2023/2024. We don't know if it will ever get replaced by STLA One for the taller C/D segment SUV, might have a long career with many upgrades ahead. And we don't know how far STLA One development currently is – beyond the initial B segment BEV.
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Why do you think only in the EU? Didn't Filosa recently confirm Alfa will stay in the US? Of course it could offer a 2.0 turbo version there, at least the US 1.6 FHEV. It amazes me that most of you concentrate so much on the ICE offerings and totally ignore the BEV, while the share of that will (and must) grow more and more – specially with fleet buyers.
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@Osv the new Bottega project is missing from the updated model index. The fleet presentation indicates this order of appearance: Junior MCA (until 2027) C-SUV (Tonale successor, STLA Medium, late 2027) New Bottega Fuoriserie project C-hatchback (Giulietta successor, STLA One) D-segment (in study)
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The Alfa column seems to be in order of appearance. I think this presentation doesn't say anything about Abarth since it's finally treated as what it already was: The sporty top versions of FIAT. That's fine. Doesn't need an extra column. The fate of Lanca and DS was clear already. Only question is how long they'll keep the exclusive models.
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But they don't really start at zero. The previous developments on STLA Large (Alfa) and Giorgio Evo (Maserati) can be built on. STLA Brain and Cockpit are (almost?) ready. And in the FaSTLAne presentation they had emphasis on shorter (> 24 months) development times.
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I think It's rather a 500 5-door coming. All versions will happen on the same platform obviously. But there's no need to hurry with the current generation. It just needs the electric LFP battery update with a price drop ASAP. And a stronger hybrid wouldn't hurt. The design is still strong, clean and fresh.
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It's easy to blame Manley who took over in 2018, but in reality the development of additional models must have been stopped much earlier. The Alfa Giorgio range was supposed to be more or less complete in 2018 to sell 400k cars. I follow Alfa's path since around 2000 and their relaunch plans got torpedoed again and again by lack of money, long term strategy and continuity.
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I think the wide c-pillar is because of cost savings: both versions share the doors with windows. And as the slow engine rollout of Grande Panda must have been at least in part engine and gearbox production related, this should get out faster. If the factory can handle it. Wonder if they’ll add EU production later to get EU benefits.
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Somehow this was designed before the Polo and it shows. "Back to classic VW" not applied yet. And a very non-dynamic pensioner mover, more like Golf Plus than Tiguan.
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Cappellano is talking about both C Alfas. But the wording regarding Melfi is open for interpretation secondo me. But as there's a political meeting next week, things should be clearer. The lines between hatchback/crossover and crossover/SUV are very blurry. Alfa Junior was introduced as a SUV while it has the same height as hatchbacks (R5, ID.Polo). Panda is called a hatchback while it's tall and riding high. Whatever the planned models for Pomigliano were, it was always unrealistic to expect the Astra to go south. I don't know any proper indication for that. Opel needs German presence and production to fulfil it's role. Rüsselheim needs product. And Italy isn't cheap either.
