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Walter Maria de Silva shared a photo on instagram about his friend in I.DE.A institute.
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Little Offtopic At the introduction of Hamilton with Ferrari he was elegant. This 600e limited edition would be awesome. Does anybody remember some fashion accindents with Hamilton? For example on the belgian GP weekend in 2022? He wore pink or purple clothes with pink mask? Fiat could do lot's of amazing limited editions with him. This was Hamilton with Ferrari This was his appearance at belgian GP weekend in 2022:
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Here are some milestones in the born of Punto I, that was shown earlier: https://www.autopareri.com/forums/topic/23021-mai-nate-fiat/?page=149#comment-2411064 https://www.autopareri.com/forums/topic/23021-mai-nate-fiat/?page=159#comment-2429128 I do not know what was the real turning point that lead to downfall of I.DE.A version. The end of the 80-ies lots of projects ran. Maybe the A93 with Giugiaro showed an all new point of view of design and Fiat prefered that version. According to the news A93 would have been born to eastern market and would have been shorter than Uno/Punto. At the end of 1980-ies Ermanno Cressoni and Leonardo Fioravanti joined Fiat C.S. Furthermore Paolo Cantarella was appointed to Fiat CEO in 1990. Maybe the CEO showed a new direction and wanted to make a strong Fiat C.S. that he reached with Bravo/Brava. But these are my opinion.
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Here are more sketches about Punto Evo. I guess these were in another topic here. Maybe I am in minority, but I like the exterior of Punto Evo. I attached two links. One is about the presentation of Punto Evo and the other is a very special article with Ruben Wainberg (R.I.P). In this article there is a short and interesting story about the birth of Punto Evo. Presentation: Article with Ruben Wainberg https://ar.motor1.com/news/467934/ruben-wainberg-el-argentino-que-firma-los-disenos-de-abarth/
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Quattroruote show some interesting stuff, but I do not know whether this sketches could be real. The article is like a novel with very few facts... https://www.quattroruote.it/news/qstories/premium/2023/07/04/misteri_dell_auto_settembre_1995.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawElKhBleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHZSe8bd6yWIrvCa2sWP87an9XV5bGLboch20BqXTC5nvJfHOynWKvBYZmg_aem_V7NWzwSRUF_fnQa1Yur_Aw Could be this project around 1995 after the Cinquecento? I feel some Giolito vibes about the sketches. The sketch with the side view is similar to FSM Beskid 106 protoype which was a milestone from born of cinquecento. Maybe there could be something with downtown - a 3 seater car. Furthermore there was the Italdesign Lucciola concept. Finally the ideas of Luciano Bove won with Seicento.
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Have you seen this article on ANE? Stellantis to invest $107M in new battery pack to boost Fiat 500 EV range https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/fiat-500-ev-get-new-battery-pack-107-million-investment Did Stellantis abandon the idea that Fiat 500e will have hybrid version? On march 2024 there were some articles about it, and as far as I remember it was only a survey to suppliers.
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I saw this news in other topic but I have questons with other Fiat Models, so I bring here too https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/fiat-could-add-gasoline-version-500e "In a twist, Fiat could add gasoline engine option to 500e" According to the News the production of Fiat 500 (from Tychy) will be moved to Algeria. 500e may have ICE version. Fiat Panda will get a refresh in summer, so it could fulfil the new rules (safety and Cyberprotection) So. What about the other models of Fiat? I guess 600e fulfil the new rules too. Will 500X and Tipo know the new rules or are they going to phased out in this summer in EU?
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I made my Punto versions based on the basic idea of Corsa. I show three rear ending variations. Only pencil work.
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Unfortunately I do not drive Fiat Idea, but I liked its plain style. From A&D 139 we can see the birth of the car. I think this was one of the well published stories with Bertone, Fiat C.S. and Italdesign proposals. Opel Meriva was absolute winner in this category with higher than 100k sales. Its best result was 200k in 2004. Beside this Idea was unfortunately unpopular. When I see the sales results Idea in Europe, Brazil, and the sales of Lancia Musa, it was surprising. Fiat Idea was desinged for European market. The planned sales volume would be among 100k and 120k and never reached it. Idea in Brazil and Lancia Muse finally reached better results. So Idea is one of the models (designed for Europeans), that was more popular in other country than in EU or Italy. Idea was heavily dependent fo Italian market. I do not know the price difference among Fiat Idea and Lancia Musa, but I belived that Musa had higher prices. As I read in this topic this was not alwas true The final results: Sales of Fiat Idea in EU circa 212k Sales of Fiat Musa in EU circa 238k Sales of Fiat Idea in BR circa 250k
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I started to think about design of 133 after the comments. secondo me there were 3 Fiat models, that resembles the spanish model. Fiat 127 from 1971, Fiat 126 from 1972 and Fiat 147 from 1976. As I know Fiat 133 was shown in 1974, so Fiat 147 was born later. The 127 was desinged by Pio Manzú. The first skeches showed a simplier exterior. The belt line was low, for this reason the luggage place was smaller. Fiat Uno has better solution but aesthetically the first 127 was prettier. The 127 had front engine. Fiat 126 was designed by Sergio Sartorelli and his team. I guess Pio Manzu did not have enough time to work on it because of his early tragic death. Fiat 126 was a „simple technical upgrade” of Fiat 500 with rear engine. (This sketch is from Paul Breuer) Fiat 147 was the Fiat first car in Brazil, which was fully designed to there. It had shown later than 133 and it had front engine. If I see all these four cars (127, 126, 147 and 133) 133 has original body with familiar light elements. As it was mentioned the car was „small on the outside, spacious on the inside”, and I agree that the thoughts of @LNA The sketches from Car Design Archives (CDA - facebook)
I believed that here will be more information about 133. I started and I hope there will be some addition. There is a short article from MOT (Die Auto-Zeitschrift) 4/74 about a new spanish Fiat (or SEAT). According to the article Fiat C.S. was involved the design of the car. The test prototypes were different from the original versions. It has round front lights and not angular. I always believed, that 133 was an "unofficial" Fiat and Seat made it. The technical content from the 850, the lights from other Fiats (Okay I know that the rear lights were different for the 126. 133 has 50%-50% ratio turn signal and break signal). Maybe I was wrong...
