4200blu

...ma questi 160/170 Cv, partendo ad Arabba, insieme la batterilina tipica mhev al piu tardi sulla tornate 8, localita Gliera sono solo 136Cv perche la mini batteria e vuota e il motore elettrico dietro non fa piu niente.

...si, no e un vero burner fuori Francia

....con 70/80 modelli tutti con lo stesso motore 1.2 3cil in due step di potenza.........

Inglesi e tedeschi. Tutte le 500 >= 99kw

...boh...facile con questo neve polveroso e secco a scandinavia su strade innevate per decine di chilometri. Qui un esempio molti anni fa, quando in baviera qualche volte c'era ancora neve...dopo solo 2 o 3 chilometri su strada innevata...

Quindi non fa senso guidare elettrica, perche una bev caricato con questo corrente e piu sporca che una diesel Eu6 final con consumo 5l/100km.

Sta'mattina alle 9:00, sole qualche esempi: Germania (con 66% regenerativo) Polonia Turchia India ovest Malaysia Australia Northern Terretory

Direi con la situazione di oggi per la produzione del corrente hai assolutamente ragione, non cambierebbe niente anche con 100% bev globale perche al momento siamo lontanissimo di una produzione elettrica 100% rinnovabile globale e anche solo in Europa. Ricaricare un auto bev con corrente che ha 350-400g/kWh di emissioni nei centraline non e meglio che guidare direttamente un ice Euro7.

..lo spirito del tempo non trova piu trendy un scarico (=emissioni/puzza/rumore) a vista, non piace ai apassionati, ma quelli sono un minoranzasempre piu piccola...

Jaguar Land Rover slows EV rollout as electric car demand cools ‘Surprising’ demand for plug-in hybrids prompts a shift in focus. Jaguar Land Rover is slowing its battery-electric car rollout as it adjusts for a cooling EV market and focuses on plug-in hybrid vehicles. The automaker is extending development times for its BEVs and is "working hard" to make more plug-in hybrids available in response to increased customer acceptance of PHEV technology, CEO Adrian Mardell said. JLR said in 2021 that it would launch six full-electric Land Rover models by 2026 but has now lowered the number to four. The company also plans to launch two all-electric Jaguars by that date. "We are a little bit slower than we said three years ago,” Mardell said on a Feb. 2 earnings call. “We are taking our time to make sure that we put the best vehicles we have ever developed into the marketplace." JLR has opened the waiting list for the Range Rover Electric SUV, which will become Land Rover’s first full-electric model when it launches later this year. An electric Range Rover Sport will follow, the company said in its 2023 annual report. Both EVs will us the same MLA large SUV platform as the combustion engine versions. The next two all-electric Land Rovers will be smaller models built on the JLR’s upcoming EMA electric platform that will replace the current combustion engine platform used by the Range Rover Evoque compact and Discovery Sport. JLR has yet to disclose which models those will be, but candidates include electric replacements for the Range Rover Evoque and Range Rover Velar. A full-electric version of the Defender could come after those vehicles. JLR said in October it plans to build a Defender EV at its factory in Slovakia. It did not give a specific timeline, saying only it would be before 2030. Jaguar relaunch The automaker will relaunch the Jaguar brand in 2025 with new four-door GT battery-electric model costing more than 100,000 pounds ($126,000) and built on a separate Jaguar Electrified Architecture (JEA). A second, all-electric Jaguar is planned. A Jaguar E-Pace plug-in hybrid. The brand also sells an F-Pace plug-in. Mardell indicated that the more mainstream EMA cars will come 12 months after the two electric Range Rovers, with the Jaguar models following after that. Mardell said JLR would be prepared to delay the launch of the Range Rover Electric to ensure the EV was perfect. "If that takes a few more months to get to that point, then the team will be allowed it," he said. JLR said 16,000 people had joined the waiting list for Range Rover Electric. The company has not disclosed prices, although JLR Chief Financial Officer Richard Molyneux said on the earnings call that the EV's price would be high enough to keep the company’s much improved profit margins. Automakers have seen demand for EVs cooling, especially at the higher end of the market, which has had a knock-on effect on development. “What you have seen from other OEMs is that the race to BEV is starting to stutter a little,” Mardell said. Plug-in demand 'surprise' JLR has navigated the collapse in demand for diesel vehicles with a shift to plug-in hybrids, which it now offers across its Land Rover lineup, as well as on the Jaguar F-Pace and E-Pace SUVs. Last year across Europe, JLR increased plug-in hybrid sales more than any other automaker. The company's sales of plug-in hybrids rose 68 percent to 45,224 in 2023, figures from market analyst Dataforce show. "PHEV acceptance has been quite a surprise," Mardell said. "We are working hard in the interim time to make more PHEVs available to the marketplace.” JLR's plug-in hybrid sales had been constrained in recent months by supply-chain issues. JLR has said previously that 60 percent of all sales will be BEVs by 2030, rising to 100 percent by 2036. Other automakers are seeing initial strong demand for BEVs weaken globally as they try to convert a wider audience away from combustion engines. "We learned that as you scale EVs from 5,000 to 7,000 units a month and you move into the early majority customer, they are not willing to pay a significant premium for EVs,” Ford CEO Jim Farley said on the automaker’s earnings call on Tuesday. Ford said it too would focus more on hybrids. "Hybrids will play an increasingly important role in our industry's transition and will be here for the long run,” he said, adding that margins on hybrids were closer to those for combustion engine vehicles and "much higher” than EV margins. The Ford Kuga was Europe’s best-selling plug-in hybrid in 2023 with 53,659 sold, beating the Volvo XC60. Plug-in hybrids remain a key technology with automakers including Ford, Volvo, JLR, Volkswagen Group, BMW and Hyundai-Kia to reduce their average CO2 due to their very low recorded emissions. Environmental groups however have complained that real-world emissions for plug-in hybrids are far higher than those achieved in laboratories. Plug-in hybrid sales captured 7.7 percent of the European market last year, according to data from ACEA. Toyota last year was the second-best-selling brand in Europe after the Volkswagen brand, boosted by its long-established commitment to hybrid technology. About 70 percent of the 830,000 cars it sold in Europe in 2023 were full hybrids, plug-in hybrids and full-electric vehicles. (ANE)

/ si sente per una "Edizione finale" ? Ci sono voci che ci sara una serie speciale per l'addio della 595/695 ice.

Ghibli, 4P e GT hanno fatto insieme meno di 3500 globale durante 2023. Con 220 giorni lavorativi sono 16 unite al giorno .... forse non sufficiente completamente per un sito come Mirafiori.

Non bisogno dettagli, basta la capacita della batteria e l'esperienza con altre bev, a guida veloce un consumo di 30kWh si raggiunge facilmente, anche piu - il resto e aritmetrica. Unica soluzione batteria piu grande.

Quindi - guidato come si guida una Abarth --> autonomia di 160-170km....mah

Capacita della batteria?

come ho capito solo phev

..esatto. La transizione significa, che non si puo andare avanti con tutti le variante ice che erano nel passato, il segmento ice divenmtera sempre piu piccola e quindi non si puo dividere come prima. Si deve togliere variante e le variante che si toglie sono quelle che hanno poca richiesta. E per un modello del segmento basso, che ha sempre avuto problemi di essere rimuneratio, per la situazione di oggi con la transizione 3 variante di motori sono gia tante.

ma questa quota nessuno se lo perde. I gusti speciali italiani non hanno un ruolo importante per le vendite globale.

...eh si - e cosa il problema? Entry level significa margine di contribuzione - non ha bisogno nessuno sopratutto quando i clienti acquistano in maggioranza comunque una versione superiore.

Sicuramente bella idea, ma "Sport" significerebbe altri paraurti, altri cerchi, forse altri sedili ecc. Impossibile con Tavares, mai non piu di una variante di una componente, perche altrimenti il margine scende a causa di na produzione troppo complicata per lui.

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Stellantis Prime agitazioni a Mirafiori: indetto uno sciopero spontaneo ............. "La Levante cessa in primavera (20 vetture al giorno a oggi), le Quattroporte sono state rinviate al 2027/28 (10 vetture al giorno), la 500 elettrica da lunedì prossimo andrà a un turno unico per sette settimane di cassa integrazione (220 vetture al giorno). Con questi numeri, se non arriveranno nuovi prodotti e non ci sarà un'inversione di tendenza sul mercato europeo, Mirafiori sarà ridotta al lumicino produttivo......................... https://www.quattroruote.it/news/industria-finanza/2024/02/07/stellantis_prime_agitazioni_a_mirafiori_indetto_uno_sciopero_spontaneo.html

...Ti giuro, che la mia moglie dice: "non vedo assolutamente nessun differenza fra queste due auto, ma il blu celeste della una mi piace piu rispetto il blu elettrico dell'altra" ...... 😂

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Spanish minister expects 'good news' on Stellantis battery factory Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares has said that the carmaker intends to build a battery factory in Spain if it obtains government subsidies. BARCELONA -- The Spanish industry minister, Jordi Hereu, said he hopes to have "good news" regarding Stellantis' plan to build a battery factory in the country. "We have to put out the new aid (packages) and I expect we will have relatively good news," said on the sidelines of an event in Barcelona when asked whether he felt confident Stellantis' project would be eventually confirmed. The government is due to open a bidding process in which companies will compete to get grants and loans for specific projects. "I believe it is reasonable to think that, I hope, it will go well," he said. Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares said in January the carmaker intends to build a battery factory in Spain if it obtains government subsidies. Through its ACC joint venture with Mercedes-Benz and Total/Saft, Stellantis is already planning three cell plants in Europe, in France, Germany and Italy. The automaker says that all of its cars sold in Europe will be zero emission by 2030, if market conditions allow, although some brands like Opel have set earlier target dates. Spain last year granted 59 million euros ($63.4 million) to Stellantis' battery plant project near the northeastern city of Zaragoza as part of government's aid program to foster the electric vehicle and battery industry with European Union's pandemic relief funds. Hereu, who met with Stellantis executives in December, said last week that a third round of aid, which includes 200 million euros ($215 million) in grants and 100 million euros in loans, will be launched in the first quarter, and a fourth round worth 1.25 billion euros will be launched in the second half of this year. (ANE)