Motori 159!

[DJTaurus]

The goods on the Brera/159 engine?

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So, what do you guys think are the GOOD things about this engine? Although for me, it feels more like a GM engine with a touch of Alfa Romeo sprinkled here and there I know that once I get away from that point, there are (supposedly) some promising things going on here. This article was taken from italiaspeed.com.

"A product of the recently terminated Fiat-GM Powertrain joint venture, the new 3.2 litre V6 engine is built in Melbourne, Australia, alongside variants for various GM marques, and is supplied to Italy as a complete assembly to be fitted to cars on the production line.

The new V6 engine has been welcomed with mixed emotions by Alfa Romeo enthusiasts, despite the engine not yet having been trialed by the media.

Feedback from members who have driven the new Alfa Romeo 159 and Brera models fitted with the engine have, however, relayed a very positive note, expressing that the cars were characterized with ‘impressive performance and smoothness’. The engine is uniquely different from any of the other variants of the GM V6 engine range, and can be described as a true Alfa Romeo gem, with the majority of components having been redesigned around the bare block.

As described by the leader behind the technical development centre at Alfa Romeo, Paulo Massai, the block itself can be regarded as an “insensitive and inanimate piece of metal”, with the features that determine the true soul of the engine having been fully engineered from the ground up.

Skepticisms about the GM connotations of this engine should thus be swept under the carpet, as the engine features a brand new cylinder head, new liners, pistons, manifolds and injection system, to name but a few of the changes.

One of the issues closest to the heart of Alfisti will be how this new engine sounds, with the original Arese built V6 playing an almost trademark soundtrack. Alfa Romeo engineers worked day and night with the quest to achieve an engine note worthy of the Alfa Romeo V6 badge, and the presence of a twin tail-pipe exhaust system will certainly complement this nicely.

The so-called Twin Phaser engine uses the second-generation lean burn, direct fuel injection JTS system that was pioneered on the 2.0 litre 4-pot JTS engine in the successful Alfa Romeo 156. Reduced to practical figures, this technical jargon signifies that the new V6 engine will be 40% more economical, and produce 22 Nm more torque than the original Alfa Romeo V6 engine that it is replacing. Power output has now increased to 260 bhp.

Compared to the over-square Arese V6, which was appreciated for delivering generous mid-range grunt, the new 3.2 V6 has an almost unit bore-to-stroke ratio, which allows for 88% of torque to be available from 2000 rpm. In combination with the third generation all-wheel-drive Torson C system, the Alfa Romeo 159 and Brera V6 models will feature exuberant temperament, with little effort being required.

All of these improvements have to be summed up against critique, however, and in the case of the new V6 engine this comes in the form of under-bonnet looks. The original Alfa Romeo V6 was, quite simply put, a work of art. In the case of the new V6 engine though, the looks are not worth writing home about.

A future variant of the new V6 engine worth keeping an eye out for is the twin-turbo GTA model, which will feature the brand new UNIAIR variable valve technology, and boast a power output of 405 bhp and 680 Nm of torque."

[DJTaurus]

Is it true that 159 will use 1.8-140hp MPI same in Croma and CO-DEVELOPED WITH OPEL?

[Autodelta85]

Is it true that 159 will use 1.8-140hp MPI same in Croma and CO-DEVELOPED WITH OPEL?

I dont think so........the entry-level gasoline engine should be the 1.9 JTS-160hp.......

I tihnk 1.8-140hp doesn't have enough torque

[stev66]

Mr T. says that the 140 HP gasoline engine has been planned at the beginning of the 939 project but later has been cancelled for motivations Autodelta85 has written before.

[DJTaurus]

Ok....but is the engine for croma co-developed with opel?

[simonepietro]

Ok....but is the engine for croma co-developed with opel?

look here sakis:http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/action/techdata?modelid=3001 there are the father of new v6 alfa and the 2.200 cc of croma

[DJTaurus]

look here sakis:http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/action/techdata?modelid=3001 there are the father of new v6 alfa and the 2.200 cc of croma

No my friend this is not the truth......

Only the block is from Gm and it is better from Fiat's block.

[simonepietro]

No my friend this is not the truth......

Only the block is from Gm and it is better from Fiat's block.

[Granturismo]

Ok....but is the engine for croma co-developed with opel?

[simonepietro]

No my friend this is not the truth......

news, the 2200cc croma is indirect ignition, it is the version use of saturn, chevrolet,ecc,ecc.it is not the best, it is the econimic version of 2.200 cc gm