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Comunque da quello che ho letto (e capito) su alcune testate nipponiche, in giappone ne hanno approfittato per dare contro alla Toyota che negli ultimi mesi/anni ha delocalizzato molto di più degli altri costruttori nazionali.

Certo è una strunzata per certi versi, ma "tutto fa brodo" quando c'è da far casino

toyota aveva già cacciato una parte del managment "del record" perchè gli si imputava di aver preso una direzione troppo megalomane...

così adesso si finisce l'epurazione.

e cmq anche se nelle parole han sempre negato hanno rincorso troppo la chimera del "Numero 1 al mondo" negli scorsi anni.

diciamo che è una salutare lezione. :§

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non so se è stato detto, non ho letto bene glia rticoli linkati qui..ma pare che a causa di questo problema ci siano stati 4 morti e 250 feriti (accertati)

pare inoltre che toyota abbia fatto di tutto per insabbiare la cosa..

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si sembra che toyota abbia cercato di nascondere il problema...se ho capito bene anche le auto del 2005 sono state richiamate: possibile che in tutti questi anni non si sono accorti del problema, con tutti i controlli che fanno???

toyota ha fatto un incredibile autogol (addirittura un ministro americano ha invitato i proprietari di toyota a non usare le proprie auto!!!), penso che ci metterà un pò di tempo a riconquistare la fiducia dei clienti...

...sempre e solo Fiat...:)

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si sta indagando anche sul servosterzo della corolla, che sembrerebbe far deviare l'auto improvvisamente a destra e sinistra. Si stanno raccogliend i dati (6incidenti 10 feriti), una volta esaminati si deciderà se aprire un'altra indagine federale

WASHINGTON -- Toyota Motor Corp. faces yet another possible federal investigation, this time of the electric power steering in 2009 and 2010 Corollas.

An analysis by Automotive News found that the Corolla has been the subject of 83 power-steering complaints to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration since April 2008. Seventy-six of those reports note that the vehicle unexpectedly veers to the left or right at 40 miles an hour and up.

"We are reviewing steering complaints with the Corolla to determine if a safety-defect investigation is warranted, as is standard procedure with all complaints," agency spokeswoman Karen Aldana said. NHTSA reviews and analyzes cases before deciding whether to begin a formal investigation into a potential defect.

Corolla complainants have compared the movement to being buffeted by strong winds, sliding on black ice, or hydroplaning. They said that after trying to straighten the car, it can overcorrect -- requiring the driver to use a tight, persistent, two-handed grip on the wheel to travel in a straight line.

10 injuries, six accidents

"If you take your eye off the road for a second, the car will drift into another lane," said one driver who lodged an Oct. 18 complaint.

The complaints cite 10 injuries resulting from six accidents, which sometimes left the vehicle upside down, at the bottom of a cliff or in a ditch.

"This was the most terrifying thing that has ever happened to me in my life as well as my grandchildren!" a Fayetteville, N.C., woman wrote NHTSA Sept. 11. She said her Corolla veered "on its own" to the right, hurtled down a cliff and hit a tree and fence.

NHTSA is speaking with Toyota, reviewing consumer complaints and looking at reports from the automaker about property damage and product defects, Aldana said in an e-mail.She was responding to the Automotive News analysis of consumer complaints to the agency about the 2009-10 Corolla.

If NHTSA's currrent initial screening finds cause for a closer look, the case would move to the investigation stage. That typically begins with a preliminary evaluation which, if warranted by the evidence, can be upgraded to an engineering analysis. A recall can follow.

Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons didn't respond to numerous e-mail and phone requests for comment Monday and Tuesday.

Toyota switched from hydraulic to electric power steering with its 2009 Corolla, which first went on sale in February 2008.

Mounting scrutiny

Toyota already faces investigations and recalls of more than a dozen other models.

Toyota today announced a worldwide recall of 437,000 hybrids, mostly of the 2010 Prius. NHTSA opened an investigation last week of braking problems with the vehicle.

NHTSA also is investigating unintended acceleration in a dozen Toyota models, more than 8 million of which have been recalled globally since October.

And since November, NHTSA has been investigating reports of engine stalls in the 2006 Corolla.

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood has been sensitive to questions raised in Congress about NHTSA's effectiveness. He is scheduled to testify Feb. 24 before the House Oversight Committee, and House Energy Committee investigators have requested NHTSA documents dating to 2000.

Today, after Toyota announced its hybrid recall, he issued a statement that said: "When I spoke with Toyota President Akio Toyoda last week, he assured me that his company takes U.S. safety concerns very seriously. The U.S. DOT will remain in constant communication with Toyota to hold them to that promise."

Said Sean Kane, president of the Safety Research & Strategies consulting firm: "Toyota's Teflon image for reliability is going out the window faster than anyone can salvage. … People are logically asking, how can it have problems with so many models?"

Kane, who is scheduled to testify tomorrow at a congressional hearing on Toyota's problems, said that the accumulation of so many serious complaints over 21 months without an investigation raises questions about NHTSA's effectiveness.

Said Kane: "How could NHTSA's surveillance miss this apparent pattern?"

The Department of Transportation, which oversees NHTSA, said it receives 30,000 complaints a year, each of which it reviews within a single business day.

"NHTSA takes these very seriously and opens investigations based on the frequency and severity of the complaints," the e-mailed statement said.

NHTSA currently is conducting 40 investigations of possible defects, three of which involve Toyota, Transportation said. Over the last three years, NHTSA said its probes have resulted in 524 recalls involving 23.5 million vehicles.

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Oh ma tutti insieme eh? Mi sa che Toyota non ne esce viva di qua... Temo proprio che farà la fine di Audi...

La teoria è quando si conosce il funzionamento di qualcosa ma quel qualcosa non funziona.

La pratica è quando tutto funziona ma non si sa come.

Spesso si finisce con il coniugare la teoria con la pratica: non funziona niente e non si sa il perché.

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Ovvero? :confused:

La principale causa delle vendite bassissime (circa la metà delle altre due componenti della triade) negli stati uniti è da imputarsi a dei problemi che ebbero a cavallo degli anni '80 con i cambi automatici.

Da Wikipedia:

Audi's U.S. sales fell after a series of recalls from 1982-1987 of Audi 5000 models[13] associated with reported incidents of sudden unintended acceleration linked to six deaths and 700 accidents.[13] At the time, NHTSA was investigating 50 car models from 20 manufacturers for sudden surges of power.[14]A 60 Minutes report aired November 23, 1986,[15] featuring interviews with six people who had sued Audi after reporting unintended acceleration, showing an Audi 5000 ostensibly suffering a problem when the brake pedal was pushed.[16][17] Subsequent investigation revealed that 60 Minutes had engineered the failure — fitting a canister of compressed air on the passenger-side floor, linked via a hose to a hole drilled into the transmission.[15]

Audi contended, prior to findings by outside investigators,[14] that the problems were caused by driver error, specifically pedal misapplication.[14] Subsequently, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) concluded that the majority of unintended acceleration cases, including all the ones that prompted the 60 Minutes report, were caused by driver error such as confusion of pedals.[18] CBS did not acknowledge the test results of involved government agencies, but did acknowledge the similar results of another study.[19]

With the series of recall campaigns, Audi made several modifications; the first adjusted the distance between the brake and accelerator pedal on automatic-transmission models.[13] Later repairs, of 250,000 cars dating back to 1978, added a device requiring the driver to press the brake pedal before shifting out of park.[13] A legacy of the Audi 5000 and other reported cased of sudden unintended acceleration are intricate gear stick patterns and brake interlock mechanisms to prevent inadvertent shifting into forward or reverse.

Audi’s U.S. sales, which had reached 74,061 in 1985, dropped to 12,283 in 1991 and remained level for three years.[13] — with resale values falling dramatically.[20] Audi subsequently offered increased warranty protection [20] and renamed the affected models — with the 5000 becoming the 100 and 200 in 1989[14] — and only reached the same sales levels again by model year 2000.[13]

A 2010 Business Week article — outlining possible parallels between Audi's experience and 2009–10 Toyota vehicle recalls — noted a class-action lawsuit filed in 1987 by about 7,500 Audi Audi 5000-model owners remains unsettled and is currently being contested in county court in Chicago after appeals at the Illinois state and U.S. federal levels.[13]

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La teoria è quando si conosce il funzionamento di qualcosa ma quel qualcosa non funziona.

La pratica è quando tutto funziona ma non si sa come.

Spesso si finisce con il coniugare la teoria con la pratica: non funziona niente e non si sa il perché.

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La principale causa delle vendite bassissime (circa la metà delle altre due componenti della triade) negli stati uniti è da imputarsi a dei problemi che ebbero a cavallo degli anni '80 con i cambi automatici.

già, mi ricordo quella faccenda dei cambi automatici audi...

mi dispiace molto per toyota, la cui affidabilità e qualità resta alta nelle mie personali considerazioni e convinzioni. posso precisarvi, da possessore della vecchica yaris prima e della nuova ora (da meno di un mese), che il problema del tappetino è stato definitivamente risolto, almeno su yaris, dal settembre 2009, a partire dal quale sono installati degli specifici gancetti che impediscono qualsiasi scivolamento.

quanto al resto, c'è tanta carne al fuoco: se è proprio tutto vero e le responsabilità cadono veramente tutte su toyota... sarà un bel massacro di mercato!

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