4 hours ago, stev66 said:

hai detto bene..in Germania.

Quantìè la quota di Stelvio venduta in Germania* rispetto al resto del mondo ?

 

 

 

* dove comunque si preferisce il prodotto locale, cifrario F-Pace che il 3.0 ce l'ha.

 

Ahahah, F-Pace. 3.0 diesel with worse fuel economy on open road and highway than Stelvio 2.0 Turbo Benzina.

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4 ore fa, stev66 dice:

PS cifrario la prova di Al volante sulle ibride . guardate i consumi della 530e poi ne riparliamo.

 

4 ore fa, stev66 dice:

cifrario F-Pace che il 3.0 ce l'ha.

 

perdonami ma mi sono incuriosito...cosa intendi per "cifrario"?

7 minuti fa, Fedo dice:

 

 

perdonami ma mi sono incuriosito...cosa intendi per "cifrario"?

A giudicare dal senso direi che scrive "cfr" per dire "confronta" e non si accorge che il correttore automatico corregge "cfr" in "cifrario".

cifrario nel senso di prendere esempio

Scusate il misunderstanding  

16 minutes ago, Vultek said:

Sei serio? F-Pace Diesel consuma di più della Stelvio TB?

Look at Quattroruote numbers.  They tested both. F-Pace 3.0 diesel is killed by weight and high Cx. So Stelvio 2.0 TB has better performance and better fuel economy on open roads and highway. F-Pace consumes less in city. But that's it. I presume that most buyers of that kind of car spend most time on highway. 

 

What's interesting. Stelvio 2.2 210 HP diesel offers similar performance as F-Pace 3.0 diesel. But Stelvio also offers much better fuel economy.

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34 minuti fa, Vultek dice:

Sei serio? F-Pace Diesel consuma di più della Stelvio TB?

Nelle Test di Auto Motor u Sport non e cosi:

 

Consumo medio della Stelvio 280 - 10,5l/100km

Consumo medio della Fpace 30d - 9.0l/100km

 

E la gita con i 700Nm della 3.0 e sicuramente piiu rilasante come con i solo 400N della Alfa 2.0 benza

 

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10 minutes ago, 4200blu said:

Nelle Test di Auto Motor u Sport non e cosi:

 

Consumo medio della Stelvio 280 - 10,5l/100km

Consumo medio della Fpace 30d - 9.0l/100km

 

E la gita con i 700Nm della 3.0 e sicuramente piiu rilasante come con i solo 400N della Alfa 2.0 benza

 

Where is data for city, interurban or highway fuel economy? Or Germans simply put all in the same basket?

Also we are talking about automatic gearbox so D mode is all that counts. You will not change gears like on manual so 700 Nm from diesel fall in to the water.

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Indeed they don't measure consumption separated for city/country road and Autobahn.

They prefer defined and always same routes of public roads.

The Eco consumption is a defined trip of about 200km beginning in the center of Stuttgart, going over country roads with very defensiv driving and respecting all speed limits (and BadenWürttemberg is full of 30/50 and 70 zones), making about 50km autobahn with max 130 back to the city center.

Pendler is more or less only city driving, should imitate the daily driving to the office, Sport-Fahrer is 80% autobahn with significant higher speed than 130, up to 80% of top speed when ever traffic allows and accelerating always as fast as possible.

And than they calculate an overall consumption with 70% Pendler / 15% Eco and 15% Sport as a indicator for real consumption in a normal mix of use the car.

 

18 hours ago, Bare said:

It's a interesting story. VM V6 is certified for 2017 Ram 1500 and maybe 2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee but not for MY2018. Why? That's a question. A very good question.

 

Also for new Wrangler it will be a late availability, maybe even a MY2019.

 

So that leads me to conclusion. We'll most likely see some hardware updates on VM V6 diesel engine. That could be related to E6D.

I agree with you. Considering that many american customers are asking for the V6 diesel in their SUV, mainly for towing capacity, I think that FCA is going to spend some money in order to get the V6 certification for the coming years.

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