14 minutes ago, Dodicicilindri said:

 

La piattaforma derivata da Giorgio e' roba da auto mediograndi/lusso, questa qui roba per C e D, i pilastri di gamma "normale".

eMini is already here in 2020.... The next iteration of CMP will come out in 2025.

 

EMP v4 which marketing department rechristened as cVMP will come out in 2023.

 

It's still valid to say that FCA is 3 years in front of PSA.

eMini is already here with 1 model and 1 type of powertrain, eCMP is already here with 6 models and 3 types of powertrain ...

8 minuti fa, xtom scrive:

eMini is already here with 1 model and 1 type of powertrain, eCMP is already here with 6 models and 3 types of powertrain ...

eVMP is NOT already here...

eVMP non e ancora in vendita...

 

eCMP e paragonabile a Mini "classica" che ha avuto anche lei 4 medelli almeno e 3 tipi di meccanica ICE, ICE MHEV (5oo, Panda e Ypsilon Hybrid) e BEV (500e 2013).

eCMP ha solo 2 tipi di motori ICE e BEV (non ha ancora MHEV).

 

Mini "classica" puo essere anche 4x4 meccanica, cosa che non puo fare eCMP.

E eMini sara fare "tutto" al meglio.

Modificato 30 Luglio 20205 anni fa da iDrive

@xtom

 

So you're saying that eCMP has batteries in the floor?

 

Thank You for the truth!

1 ora fa, Bare scrive:

eMini is already here in 2020.... The next iteration of CMP will come out in 2025.

 

EMP v4 which marketing department rechristened as cVMP will come out in 2023.

 

It's still valid to say that FCA is 3 years in front of PSA.

 

Peugeot e208/2008 and Opel eCorsa are already on the market. I do not understand how you can say FCA is 3 years ahead PSA, nevertheless I don't want to argue, opinions.

Modificato 30 Luglio 20205 anni fa da Dodicicilindri

@Dodicicilindri

 

Have you seen placing of batteries on CMP? It's not like skateboard. According to yesterday's PSA Q2/H1 Earnings Call CMP will be at that evolutionary step in 2025. 

7 minuti fa, Dodicicilindri scrive:

 

Peugeot e208/2008 and Opel eCorsa are already on the market. I do not understand how you can say FCA is 3 years ahead PSA, nevertheless I don't want to argue, opinions.

Il livello tecnico di eCMP era gia raggiunto da FCA nel 2013 con 5ooE US, non sono 3 ma 5 gli anni di vantaggi... 3 nel caso del nuovo step tecnico inaugurato con eMini e che arrivera in PSA (in Stellantis) tra 3 anni con eVMP.

Modificato 30 Luglio 20205 anni fa da iDrive

11 minuti fa, Bare scrive:

@Dodicicilindri

 

Have you seen placing of batteries on CMP? It's not like skateboard. According to yesterday's PSA Q2/H1 Earnings Call CMP will be at that evolutionary step in 2025. 

 

It has been said extensively that skateboard means a fully comprehensive base platform, suspension included, and panels bolted on it.

Tesla, that is anyway traditional in many respect, at least has a higher optimization in electromechanical parts placement.

 

500e too is not a real skateboard, and you can clearly understand it can fit easily ICE.

 

I don't think it's a bad thing having an evolutionary platforms if it saves R&D/CAPEX costs, and if it's energy efficient.

Support for battery pack sized from 60 to 100 kW and ranges up to 650 km WLTP look to me quite a good achievement, doesn't matter it's a skateboard or not.

And with pro you can easily hybridize it.

7 minuti fa, iDrive scrive:

Il livello tecnico di eCMP era gia raggiunto da FCA nel 2013 con 5ooE US, non sono 3 ma 5 gli anni di vantaggi... 3 nel caso del nuovo step tecnico inaugurato con eMini e che arrivera in PSA (in Stellantis) tra 3 anni con eVMP.

 

Ma se aveva 100 km di autonomia? E nessuna predisposizione per la ricarica veloce.

Modificato 30 Luglio 20205 anni fa da Dodicicilindri

OK, you still did not deny my claim that FCA is 3 years ahead of PSA.

1 minuto fa, Bare scrive:

OK, you still did not deny my claim that FCA is 3 years ahead of PSA.

 

I did it, please read again above.