Pero' Taycan è proprio bella.

6 ore fa, TurboGimmo scrive:

Pero' Taycan è proprio bella.

Forse, dipende dal gusto, ma solo essere bella non basta per una macchine…sopratutto non per una tedesca.

Ma io dico che con le nuova Boxer e Cayman, sono passati dalla full ICE alla full BEV, ma non sarebbe stato meglio fare un passo intermedio e farle ibride? Voglio dire che il 4 cilindri boxer delle vecchie generazioni, ricavato togliendo 2 cilindri al 6 boxer, sembra fatto apposta per essere ibridizzato: al posto dei 2 cilindri in più del V6, ci mettevi un motore elettrico, mantenendo inalterato l'ingombro del motore. Se prima ci stava un 6 cilindri boxer, ci poteva stare tranquillamente un 4 cilindri + motore elettrico.

17 minuti fa, infallibile_GF scrive:

Ma io dico che con le nuova Boxer e Cayman, sono passati dalla full ICE alla full BEV, ma non sarebbe stato meglio fare un passo intermedio e farle ibride? Voglio dire che il 4 cilindri boxer delle vecchie generazioni, ricavato togliendo 2 cilindri al 6 boxer, sembra fatto apposta per essere ibridizzato: al posto dei 2 cilindri in più del V6, ci mettevi un motore elettrico, mantenendo inalterato l'ingombro del motore. Se prima ci stava un 6 cilindri boxer, ci poteva stare tranquillamente un 4 cilindri + motore elettrico.

Non è detto che le prossime 718 invece di usare il B6 termico non vadano ad usare il B6 ibrido della sorella maggiore.

10 minuti fa, __P scrive:

Non è detto che le prossime 718 invece di usare il B6 termico non vadano ad usare il B6 ibrido della sorella maggiore.

Troppo costoso per un segmento in forte contrazione secondo me

4 minuti fa, Sascha87 scrive:

Troppo costoso per un segmento in forte contrazione secondo me

Quindi sostanzialmente le termiche saranno solamente le versioni GT a numero limitato (almeno in EU) per non dover sforare troppo con le emissioni…

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Porsche AG sets final steps in the realignment of its product strategy

19/09/2025

Porsche AG is resolutely continuing its comprehensive realignment. The Executive Board and Supervisory Board have decided on significant adjustments to the product portfolio in the medium and long-term period.

• The product range is to be specifically supplemented by brand-defining vehicle models with combustion engines.

• The new SUV series above the Cayenne, which has so far been intended as all-electric, will initially be offered exclusively as a combustion engine and plug-in hybrid model due to market conditions.

• The existing combustion engine models will remain available for a longer period.  New generations of successor models have been added to the Cycle Plan for these vehicle models.

• The development of the planned new platform for electric vehicles in the 2030s will be rescheduled.

• The existing all-electric model range is being continuously updated.

• These measures are intended to support financial results in future fiscal years but will lead to considerable additional depreciation and provisions in the short term.

 

With this, the sports car manufacturer aims to achieve a positive impact on the financial figures for the medium to long-term period. “Today we have set the final steps in the realignment of our product strategy. We are currently experiencing massive changes within the automotive environment. That's why we're realigning Porsche across the board,” says CEO Oliver Blume. “In doing so, we want to meet new market realities and changing customer demands – with fantastic products for our customers and robust financial results for our investors.”

New brand-defining vehicle models with combustion engines

The product range is to be supplemented by brand-defining vehicle models with combustion engines. Due to market conditions, the new SUV series above the Cayenne, which was previously planned to be fully electric, will initially be offered exclusively as combustion engine and plug-in hybrid at market launch. In addition, current models such as the Panamera and the Cayenne will be available with combustion engines and plug-in hybrids well into the 2030s. New generations of successor models have been added to the Cycle Plan for these vehicle models.  

Certain all-electric models will be introduced later

In return, due to the delayed ramp-up of electric mobility, the market launch of certain all-electric vehicle models is planned to take place at a later date. In particular, the development of the planned new platform for electric vehicles in the 2030s is to be rescheduled. The platform is to be technologically redesigned in coordination with other brands within the Volkswagen Group. This is the company’s response to the significant slower growth of the demand for exclusive battery-electric vehicles. Nevertheless, the existing all-electric model range is being continuously updated. With the Taycan, Macan, Cayenne and the future two-door sports car in the 718 segment, there will be an attractive BEV offering.

Oliver Blume: “These decisions build on the previously announced initiatives and help us to achieve a very balanced portfolio. This increases our flexibility and strengthens our position in a currently highly volatile environment. With a convincing mix of combustion engines, plug-in hybrids and battery-electric vehicles, we want to meet the entire range of customer requirements. In the medium term, this approach is intended to support our business model and strengthen our market position.”

At the same time, Porsche expects considerable additional burdens due to the changed external framework conditions. These include US import tariffs, the decline in the Chinese luxury market, and the slowdown in the ramp-up of electric mobility. The company assumes that the strategic realignment envisaged in the cycle plan will only partially compensate these additional burdens. Accordingly, Porsche is now aiming for a medium-term operating return on sales in the double-digit range, with good business development of up to 15%. This corresponds to the lower end of the previous range.

The rescheduling of the new platform for electric vehicles will necessitate depreciation and provisions, which are expected to burden the operating profit in the 2025 financial year by up to 1.8 billion euros. The current forecast for the 2025 financial year published by Porsche does not take these burdens into account. Against this background, the company has decided to adjust the forecast for the 2025 financial year. The expectations for the 2025 financial year are now as follows:

• A sales revenue between 37 and 38 billion euros (previous forecast: 37 to 38 billion euros),

• A slightly positive return on sales up to 2 % (previous forecast: 5 to 7%),

• An automotive net cash flow margin between 3 and 5 % (previous forecast: 3 to 5%),

• An automotive EBITDA margin between 10.5 and 12.5 % (previous forecast: 14.5 to 16.5%), and

• An automotive BEV share in Automotive between 20 and 22 % (previous forecast: 20 to 22%).

For the 2025 financial year, the Executive Board intends to propose the distribution of a dividend, that would significantly exceed the communicated medium-term dividend policy of approximately 50% of IFRS profit of the group after taxes in terms of the percentage payout ratio. However, in terms of the actual amount, such a dividend distribution would be significantly lower than that of the previous year. Final decisions by the relevant committees regarding the dividend amount are still pending.

“With this clear plan, we are recalibrating the company for long-term success in a world with challenging conditions. We recognize that these strategic investments weigh on our short-term financial results – but they are essential. The measures will sharpen our brand identity and make our products even more desirable and our company even more resilient,” emphasises Dr Jochen Breckner, Member of the Executive Board for Finance and IT at Porsche AG. Overall, Porsche expects extraordinary expenses of around 3.1 billion euros for the 2025 financial year in connection with the strategic realignment. They include the measures currently adopted and previously decided adjustments to the product strategy, as well as battery activities and organizational changes. In connection with the realignment, further cash outflows are expected in the coming years.

Disclaimer

This press release contains forward-looking statements and information that reflect Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG's current views about future events. These statements are subject to many risks, uncertainties, and assumptions. They are based on assumptions relating to the development of the economic, political, and legal environment in individual countries, economic regions, and markets, and in particular for the automotive industry, which we have made on the basis of the information available to us and which we consider to be realistic at the time of publication. If any of these risks and uncertainties materializes or if the assumptions underlying any of the forward-looking statements prove to be incorrect, the actual results may be materially different from those Porsche AG expresses or implies by such statements. Forward-looking statements in this presentation are based solely on the circumstances at the date of publication. We do not update forward-looking statements retrospectively. Such statements are valid on the date of publication and can be superseded. This information does not constitute an offer to exchange or sell or an offer to exchange or buy any securities. 

Via Porsche.

Modificato 5 ore fa5 ore fa da Osv

MHA.... Boxter e Cayman, all'inizio della loro carriera avevano un senso ben preciso: modelli relativamente economici e prestazionalmente nettamente inferiori alla sorellona 911. Vi ricordate il primo 6 cilindri asfittico della Boxter con soli 200 cv? La separazione fra 911 e Boxter era netta e si rivolgevano a clienti molto diversi.

Poi con le generazioni successiva Boxter e Cayman, hanno migliorato le prestazioni, fino al punto che diverse versioni erano nettamente più veloci in pista delle più blasonate 911. Creando appunto un paradosso nella gamma Porsche. Anche il prezzo si è avvicinato molto a quello delle 911. Le versioni più prestazionali di Boxter e Cayman, sono più veloci e costose delle entry-level di 911. Mi immagino ora il cliente tipico Porsche: perchè a parità di prezzo dovrebbe scegliere una Cayman, con tutte le incognite di tenuta dell'usato, collezionabilità, ecc, al posto della più prestigiosa 911?

Secondo me le nuove Boxter Cayman, elettriche o meno, per avere un senso e un minimo di successo, dovrebbero essere nettamente meno costose e prestazionali delle 911.

Altrimenti rischiano di restare a fare la muffa nei concessionari.

Modificato 15 ore fa15 ore fa da infallibile_GF

Anch'io la vedo critica per 718.

Tolta la BEV che la trovo poco gradita alla potenziale clientela, aggiungere l'ibrido comporta aumento di peso e costi, che da una parte perderebbe la sua essenza da entry level e dall'altra rischia di rimanere "nei piazzali" o di preferirle 911.

11 minuti fa, Gabri Magnussen scrive:

Anch'io la vedo critica per 718.

Tolta la BEV che la trovo poco gradita alla potenziale clientela, aggiungere l'ibrido comporta aumento di peso e costi, che da una parte perderebbe la sua essenza da entry level e dall'altra rischia di rimanere "nei piazzali" o di preferirle 911.

Beh andrà sicuramente a perderla…

Alla fine la clientela tra 911 base ed una Cayman/Boxster GT non è proprio la stessa.

Diciamo che probabilmente vogliono rendere la 718 un’alternativa entry delle versioni più cavallate della sorella, visto che con i chiari di luna globali il segmento è in fortissima contrazione…